Re: Re: The Boer/Boor Wars and the Charge of the Chickenshi-tees

["Josh Ozersky" <jozersky@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Ray,
I have to say I agree with you completely.  High lottery picks
are the lifeblood of a franchise, as I've argued many times.  Not
a single team has won the championship in the last twenty years
without a top-three pick headlining.  Even the Celtics are misleading.
The Celts had the number 1 pick overall, which is why they were
able to fleece golden state of McHale and Parish.

Still, I do think that Pierce is the kind of player you would usually
only get with a top three pick.  He's better than many recent #1 overalls,
and if you can combine him with a deep roster of tough, talented,
and cohesive players, you might be able to compete for a title -- esp.
if you can get a Kirilenko somehow.  That's the best face I can put on
the situation.  I don't think in today's NBA you need two hall-of-famers.

Josh
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wayray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: re: Re: The Boer/Boor Wars and the Charge of the Chickenshi-tees


> > Untrue; many teams rebuild on the run.  Look at Houston,
>
> Say what - They rebuilt with top 3 picks: Francis and Ming.
>
> > San Antonio,
>
> Yeah, they lucked out and got Dunca, the Number One choice.
>
>  our own Celtics before Reggie Lewis died,
>
> McHale = top 3 pick; Bird 6th pick, Parish obtained in a trade because the
> Celtics had the number one pick; and the Celtics were in decline during
the
> Lewis Coke era.
>
> > and of course Utah is also pretty good now.  Generally,
> > Ray is right:  teams don't get titles without a top lottery
> > pick.  But they can get good, and even become contenders.
> >
> > Josh
>
> All the examples -- except Utah and they're not in the class of the other
> teams -- you cited Josh, are clubs that were able to
> rebuild because of having high lottery choices. With the Celtics unlikely
> to have a high lottery pick, it will be very difficult for them to rebuild
> the club to a championship level. Not impossible, but difficult.
>
> If it comes down to the 7th/8th pick in the draft (which is were they
> would have been sans Atkins trade) or being blown out in the
> first round and drafting 15-17, I'll take the Lottery Pick.
> Ray
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <wayray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:03 AM
> > Subject: rRe: The Boer/Boor Wars and the Charge of the Chickenshi-tees
> >
> >
> > > Pierce on the block, eh Egg, a good idea. When you're rebuilding,
> > > you can't be wishy-washy and do things half-way, which is what the
> > > Atkins trade was.  Took the Celtics right out of a sweet lottery pick
> > > and a possible franchise point, as you have to believe one of the
Paul -
> > > Livingston - Telfair trio would have been available there.
> > >
> > > And it's hard to see a disgruntled Pierce wanting to stick around
> > > for the Ainge plan to reach fruition.  Picking up a piece there and
> > > a player here, just doesn't get the job done, unless you have
> > > owners willing to blow up their salary cap and/or are like the Knicks,
> > > very attractive to big time free agents.
> > >
> > > You simply can't rebuild halfway - you've got to be bad and hope
> > > you're bad in the draft years, where franchise players are available.
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > < You don't see anyone else claiming to have inside information.
> > >-Jessen
> > > >
> > > > Maybe they don't have any.
> > > >
> > > > < Just put up or shut up. At the end of the day, BS is still BS.....
> -
> > > > Jessen
> > > >
> > > > Herebs another little trinket for you, Sir Redvers.   Pierce is on
the
> > > > trading
> > > > block. He has been placed there by our own little Danny, the most
> > > > highly skilled market maker this side of George Soros.
> > > >
> > > > Remember when Danny single-handedly lowered Toinebs market value by
> > > > placing that full page add for him in the NY Times   "Point forward
> > > > available.
> > > > 50% off this week only," and then denied to Toine and all that he
was
> > > > on the market?
> > > >
> > > > Fast forward/deja vu.   The ever-subtle Danny is now frenetically
> > rushing
> > > > hither and yon extending trade feelers on Paul thus lowering his
market
> > > > value as well.   Of course this, too, will be denied all the way
till
> > the
> > > > "surprise" trade day.
> > > >
> > > > In all fairness to Danny, I should note here that he is equally
adept at
> > > > single-handedly RAISING MARKET VALUE.   Just ask Marcus Banks who
was
> > > > responsible for his miraculous ascension from second-round nobody to
> > > > lottery wonderkind.
> > > >
> > > > No doubt about it, Ainge is a natural market maker.   We are lucky
to
> > > > have him.
> > > >
> > > > Egg
> > >
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