RE: random things make you say Hmmmm

["R. Singh" <keltsfan@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Josh,

Assuming, as you say, Pierce does deliver, the point is, I don't believe
he fits with the type of game Ainge wants to see in Boston.  Pierce's
game appears to be best suited to the Michael Jordan style of
one-star-dominating-the-ball type of basketball with all other scoring
options feeding off of that star.  In any event,  I think, well at least
I hope, that style of basketball is a thing of the past and that the NBA
is moving towards TEAM basketball again. The Paul Pierce show needs to
stop in order for a real offense to start, in my opinion. Can a new
coach remake him?  Perhaps, but I'm not so sure and how long does Ainge
want to wait to find out?  

Ravi

 




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-celtics@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-celtics@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Josh Ozersky
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:36 PM
To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: random things make you say Hmmmm


No way.  Put me down as unalterably opposed to these
two deals and anything like them.  The Celtics need a 
legit superstar.  You can talk about Pierce's bad habits
all you want, but he delivers.  I don't trade him for anybody that
doesn't deliver.  There are plenty of big bodies and fluid jumpshooters
out there, but only a handful of legitimate
stars.   

Josh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. Singh" <keltsfan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: random things make you say Hmmmm


> Mark,
> 
> I'm of the opinion that at his age, and at this point in his career, 
> Pierce will not be able to make the adjustment necessary to facilitate

> Ainge's vision of smart, running-based basketball.  Not as a Celtic 
> anyway.
> 
> I think the Celtics need to see what is available for Pierce this 
> summer and make a blockbuster deal that brings in a player(s) that 
> better fits what Ainge wants.  I think guys like Welsch and Davis fit 
> the plan given their solid basketball IQ's and their all-around 
> offensive abilities and it appears there is some high school, college 
> and Euro-talent that could fit in the longer term.
> 
> I still like the thought of the Celtics proposing a Pierce for Ray 
> Allen and the Sonics lotto pick. I think the Sonics would seriously 
> consider it given they are concerned that Allen, who is a free agent 
> after next season, will demand more than they can pay.  The Sonics get

> a young star locked into a long term deal.  The Celtics get Allen, a 
> better fit for Ainge's master plan, and a another first round pick to 
> use to swing for the fences. The concern with Allen is that he is 
> injury prone and several years older than Pierce but the additional 
> lottery pick mitigates against these issues.
> 
> Also, I wouldn't be opposed to a deal involving Eddie Curry, the Bulls

> lotto pick and cap fodder.  Curry is a huge talent and with the proper

> coaching (i.e. Phil Jackson or someone of that stature) might just 
> become a monster inside. It's a gamble for sure, but with Curry, a 
> potential #1 pick in the draft to add to the three other first round 
> picks, Ainge may be able to very quickly remake this team with the 
> players that are required to play a Kings style game.
> 
> Ravi
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-celtics@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-celtics@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf

> Of Berry, Mark S
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:16 AM
> To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: random things make you say Hmmmm
> 
> 
> This is a great point. I've been down on Pierce this season, but I 
> would like to see what happens with the new coach. If it's the same 
> old thing, then I think Pierce is the guy you'll have to trade. It 
> would be nice to know that now, but instead we have John Carroll - who

> is like a fourth-generation photocopy of Obie.
> 
> 
> 
> The announcers on the Rockets-Suns game said a couple of really 
> interesting things last night. First, late in the game, the Rockets 
> took a couple of bad three-pointers. I think Francis took one, and I 
> know Mobley took one. The two color guys - Steve Kerr and Mike 
> Fratello - talked about those being bad shots, especially with Yao 
> dominating inside, but said the players had developed bad habits after

> so many years under the Tomjanovich system. Rudy T had embraced that 
> kind of play late in his career, allowing Francis and Mobley to bomb 
> away. Kerr and Fratello said the players took those shots in the past,

> and still don't recognize them as bad shots now. This is my fear with 
> Pierce. Have Obie and Carroll created too many bad habits? Is he going

> to be able to resist the coast-to-coast drives, the quick 
> three-pointers, the step-back 20-footers? Tommy questioned it the 
> other night, actually saying "I don't know if he's ever going to get 
> it ... " when Pierce drove wildly into traffic. Anyway, I hope a new 
> coach changes Pierce, but I fear that the damage is done.
> 
> 
> 
> Secondly, they said the key relationship in a team is the relationship

> between the head coach and the best player. If that best player buys 
> into what you're doing, everyone will follow. If the best player 
> doesn't buy in, you're doomed. Again, this comes back to Pierce. Is he

> willing to change his game? Will he accept having the ball out of his 
> hands, sharing the load offensively and becoming a finisher instead of

> a creator? If so, great. But if not, he'll have to go. That's for 
> Danny and the new coach to figure out.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> Ravi wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I think the more important point with respect to impact is whether or 
> not Pierce has a positive or negative one with respect to Ainge's 
> vision/plan.
> 
> Once that is determined then the Celtics will have a better idea of 
> whom they might/should trade.