Re: random things make you say Hmmmm

["Josh Ozersky" <jozersky@xxxxxxxxxx>]

No way.  Put me down as unalterably opposed to these
two deals and anything like them.  The Celtics need a 
legit superstar.  You can talk about Pierce's bad habits
all you want, but he delivers.  I don't trade him for anybody
that doesn't deliver.  There are plenty of big bodies and
fluid jumpshooters out there, but only a handful of legitimate
stars.   

Josh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. Singh" <keltsfan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: random things make you say Hmmmm


> Mark,
> 
> I'm of the opinion that at his age, and at this point in his career,
> Pierce will not be able to make the adjustment necessary to facilitate
> Ainge's vision of smart, running-based basketball.  Not as a Celtic
> anyway.  
> 
> I think the Celtics need to see what is available for Pierce this summer
> and make a blockbuster deal that brings in a player(s) that better fits
> what Ainge wants.  I think guys like Welsch and Davis fit the plan given
> their solid basketball IQ's and their all-around offensive abilities and
> it appears there is some high school, college and Euro-talent that could
> fit in the longer term. 
> 
> I still like the thought of the Celtics proposing a Pierce for Ray Allen
> and the Sonics lotto pick. I think the Sonics would seriously consider
> it given they are concerned that Allen, who is a free agent after next
> season, will demand more than they can pay.  The Sonics get a young star
> locked into a long term deal.  The Celtics get Allen, a better fit for
> Ainge's master plan, and a another first round pick to use to swing for
> the fences. The concern with Allen is that he is injury prone and
> several years older than Pierce but the additional lottery pick
> mitigates against these issues. 
> 
> Also, I wouldn't be opposed to a deal involving Eddie Curry, the Bulls
> lotto pick and cap fodder.  Curry is a huge talent and with the proper
> coaching (i.e. Phil Jackson or someone of that stature) might just
> become a monster inside. It's a gamble for sure, but with Curry, a
> potential #1 pick in the draft to add to the three other first round
> picks, Ainge may be able to very quickly remake this team with the
> players that are required to play a Kings style game. 
> 
> Ravi
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-celtics@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-celtics@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Berry, Mark S
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:16 AM
> To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: random things make you say Hmmmm
> 
> 
> This is a great point. I've been down on Pierce this season, but I would
> like to see what happens with the new coach. If it's the same old thing,
> then I think Pierce is the guy you'll have to trade. It would be nice to
> know that now, but instead we have John Carroll - who is like a
> fourth-generation photocopy of Obie.
> 
> 
> 
> The announcers on the Rockets-Suns game said a couple of really
> interesting things last night. First, late in the game, the Rockets took
> a couple of bad three-pointers. I think Francis took one, and I know
> Mobley took one. The two color guys - Steve Kerr and Mike Fratello -
> talked about those being bad shots, especially with Yao dominating
> inside, but said the players had developed bad habits after so many
> years under the Tomjanovich system. Rudy T had embraced that kind of
> play late in his career, allowing Francis and Mobley to bomb away. Kerr
> and Fratello said the players took those shots in the past, and still
> don't recognize them as bad shots now. This is my fear with Pierce. Have
> Obie and Carroll created too many bad habits? Is he going to be able to
> resist the coast-to-coast drives, the quick three-pointers, the
> step-back 20-footers? Tommy questioned it the other night, actually
> saying "I don't know if he's ever going to get it ... " when Pierce
> drove wildly into traffic. Anyway, I hope a new coach changes Pierce,
> but I fear that the damage is done.
> 
> 
> 
> Secondly, they said the key relationship in a team is the relationship
> between the head coach and the best player. If that best player buys
> into what you're doing, everyone will follow. If the best player doesn't
> buy in, you're doomed. Again, this comes back to Pierce. Is he willing
> to change his game? Will he accept having the ball out of his hands,
> sharing the load offensively and becoming a finisher instead of a
> creator? If so, great. But if not, he'll have to go. That's for Danny
> and the new coach to figure out.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> Ravi wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I think the more important point with respect to impact is whether or
> not Pierce has a positive or negative one with respect to Ainge's
> vision/plan.
> 
> Once that is determined then the Celtics will have a better idea of whom
> they might/should trade.