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Re: Ford: GMs say Pierce no longer untouchable
I have to admit all those deals sound pretty appetizing...
although the chicago one is dubious without a sure-fire
star at the top of the draft. I don't see one this year, but
I haven't started my draft prep yet.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: <wayray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: re: Ford: GMs say Pierce no longer untouchable
> Hey Mark,
> If I were trading Pierce, I'd want an All-Star type at PF, PG or SG,
> or a good young PG and a high lottery pick, or a quality center and a
decent
> lottery pick.
>
> So, here's a few deals:
>
> 1. Pierce, Banks, and the Celtics lottery pick for Ray Allen, Luke Ridnour
and Seattle's
> pick. Unfortunately, no way in hell Seattle would do this because Ridnour
=
> young Mark Price; Banks = young Mookie Blaylock, and Allen's value higher
than
> Pierce these days.
>
> 2. Pierce and Mihm for Dampier, Richardson, and GS's lottery pick.
> Double sign and trade. Worriers are desperate! Yes, even more desperate
> than the Celtics, so this is the time you trade with them. Maybe Murphy
> switched for Richardson... GS is just itching to make a real bad trade.
> Perfect opportunity for Ainge to redeem himself and he needs lots of
redemption.
>
> 3. Pierce to the Bulls for Hinrich, Fizer, and their top three pick.
> Bulls need a STAR, MUY PRONTO, and there have already been reports
> about them going after Allen or Pierce. Celtics love Hinrich and that top
three
> pick gets them Okafor/Smith/Howard/Deng et al. Maybe it can be Pierce,
> Banks, etc. for Hinrich, Crawford, and the pick.
>
> 4. Pierce to Portland for Zach Randolph, Derek Anderson, a bad contract
here
> or there, and Portland's lottery pick.
> Randolph provides the Celtics with the inside scorer/rebounder they
desperately
> need. Hunter good back-up to Randolph.
>
> 5. Pierce in a three way deal between Boston, Golden State, and the
> Lakers. The Lakers end up with Pierce, Davis, Dampier, and LaFrentz; GS
with
> Mihm, Stewart, and two later draft picks, Celtics with Shaq. Sure, why
not!
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: Ford: GMs say Pierce no longer untouchable
> > ** Original Sender: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > ** Original Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:32:04 -0800 (PST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > The bulk of this is a rehash of the Pierce quotes after the Portland
> > game. The interesting tidbit, which I think will surprise no one on this
> > list, is the mention that "rumblings" from other GMs suggest Pierce is
> > no longer untouchable.
> >
> >
> >
> > My belief in Pierce is shaken more and more as this season unfolds.
> > Watch him during the games. How can he possibly call out teammates,
> > coaches or management when he's going through the motions out there -
> > and that's exactly what he's doing. Pierce desperately needs a fiery
> > leader on the floor with him and a tough, disciplined coach on the
> > bench. Maybe Ainge can fill those holes and salvage Pierce. The more
> > likely scenario is Ainge sees how Pierce is handling this season (badly,
> > and Ainge intimated as much the other day), and he moves him during the
> > offseason. That's what I'd do.
> >
> >
> >
> > For who? That's the hard part. Kobe in a sign-and-trade? Maybe it's a
> > combination of players and picks. By all accounts, the Bulls are in the
> > market for a star swingman. Would a package of Hinrich, Chandler and the
> > Bulls' No. 1 pick work for either team? I honestly don't know. But I
> > know this: This season hasn't been a complete loss. We've learned
> > something about Paul Pierce.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > P.S. Steve Oulette, great take on rebounding. It's mystifying to me. If
> > this team slips away and we go into the offseason without an idea of
> > what Brandon Hunter can do in game situations, it will be a tragedy.
> > Maybe he's a garbage time player. Maybe. But let's find out. We know
> > what McCarty and Jones bring. We don't know about Brandon Hunter yet.
> > Let's find out. As good as he is in limited minutes, I'd like to see him
> > when he builds some confidence. I'd like to see him with a little
> > swagger.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pierce grumbling in Boston: There was a lot of rumbling in GM
> > circles before the trade deadline on Thursday that Celtics
> > star Paul
> > Pierce wasn't untouchable anymore. With Danny Ainge
> > completely
> > overhauling the Celtics, Pierce has suffered the most, and
> > his
> > grumbling has gotten more vocal in the past few weeks.
> >
> > Pierce blasted his teammates, and more subtly Ainge, after
> > the
> > Celtics were blown out in Portland on Saturday.
> >
> >
> > "We don't have no continuity on defense," Pierce told the
> > Boston
> > Globe. "Guys don't know what they're doing. We're just not
> > playing
> > smart. You just don't give yourself a chance. We went away
> > from all
> > the things we learned in training camp, regardless of the
> > coaching
> > change and everything. We went away from everything that we
> > learned,
> > every concept that we've done. We're just throwing it out
> > the
> > window.
> >
> >
> > "Things changed. Personnel's changed. Coaching's changed.
> > New
> > concepts. It's hard to do when you've got a young team,
> > eight or
> > nine different players, and you try to change things in
> > midseason.
> > It's difficult. I mean, you guys are watching the same thing
> > I see."
> >
> >
> >
> > Ainge claims he understands the frustration from Pierce and
> > the
> > fans, who have begun chanting "Fire Ainge" at the Fleet
> > Center.
> > "Everybody's frustrated," said Ainge. "But I think I'm in a
> > position
> > where the plan and vision has not been lost on me. But the
> > short-term plan and frustration is not fun for anyone to go
> > through.
> > I anticipated when Jim O'Brien resigned that there was the
> > possibility of it being a long season. I would never use the
> > [term]
> > lost season, because I think there are still things to do.
> > There are
> > things every single player can get better at."
> >
> >
> > The challenge for the Celtics is how far off the future
> > actually is.
> > There's a decent chance they'll lose starting center Mark
> > Blount in
> > free agency this summer. The Celtics won't have cap room to
> > make a
> > major free-agent signing. They will have their mid-level
> > exception
> > and, if they win the Vin Baker arbitration, they'll have the
> > money
> > to use it. The team also has three first-round draft picks
> > this
> > year, but with two of those in the late 20s, it's unlikely
> > they'll
> > find a player who is able to come in and contribute right
> > away. That
> > means the Celtics might be in the rebuilding mode for the
> > long haul,
> > something Pierce apparently isn't up for.
>
> >** --------- End Original Message ----------- **