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Re: Celtics Latest Trade Most Preposterous says D'Alessandro

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This team was such a mess when he took over that it was not possible to fix it immediately.
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Was it really such a mess? Atlanta is a mess. The Knicks were a mess. The Celts were an above 500 team who had made the playoffs two years in a row, despite some horrible transactions (Baker) and not a great talent base. That being said, they were not a horrible mess.

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Ainges trades have been to give him flexibility at draft time and also at trading deadline times.
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We did not appear to have flexibility at the deadline - we were selling and no one was really interested, except Detroit who made us take the even less appealing Atkins. He also sacrificed cap room for a late 20s pick in the draft. Granted, if he hadnt jumped the gun, he could have been a pretty big player at the deadline trading Walker and Williams. Whether he has been able to create flexibility at drafttime, lets see if he can package those two 20s picks and move up. If he does that, then this works.

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I don't see how you can judge a GM after less than a year on the job, especially when he has come right out and said that it will be a 3 year process.
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I agree with you there to a point. However, Danny has said more and done more than most GMs generally do in their first year. He traded Walker and then ripped his game again. He came on the radio after that and said this team was going to win more games than last year and make the playoffs. He has turned over pretty much the entire roster during the course of the season. He has made some pretty controversial deals, which seem to indicate to a lot of people that this might not be a 3 year process, but rather a 5 year process.

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He tells you it will take him 3 months to finish it. After 2 or 3 weeks, will you fire him because the addition is not complete? No? Well why not? At that point, wouldn't your house be a mess? Whatever demo was necessary would be evident. Everything would look in shambles. But you wouldn't fire him because it is not a finished product yet, nor did he promise it to be at that point.
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Well, I am not advocating firing him at this point. However, if I were working with the contractor on this, I would have some real concerns, especially as things did not look to be on schedule, he had replaced one set of materials and blueprints with another, and it was looking like it might not be done before winter :P

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Simply put, those focusing on the team on the floor right now will call Ainge a failure. Those who can look down the road a bit and see the options and see the ways that this team can improve will not call Ainge a failure, yet. If 2 years from now the team still looks disheveled and there isn't a whole lot of change from right now, then it will probably be the time to call Ainge a failure.
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99% in agreement here, except for one small point I think you nailed it. I do not think that most people would be as upset with the rebuilding if we were getting to see the young guys play. You write that Ainge is not a failure, yet. My gripes about him come more from a sense that what he is doing now is not on the timeline or the road to a quick turnaround. If we are on a 3 year plan, we need progress next year (basically back to where we were). Right now, it seems like next year will be another laying the groundwork year and assembling the nucleus of the team. I am withholding judgement on this yet, but so far I see more cause for concern than optimism...

Shawn Niles wrote:

I don't know if I'd say I am in any 'camp'. What I do know is that the moves Ainge is making are not designed to win 'right now'. This team was such a mess when he took over that it was not possible to fix it immediately. If Ainge came out right now and said he had put his finished product on the floor, then I would agree he is a failure. But that is just not even close to being the case. How many guys on the team right now will still be on the team next year at this time? Pierce, Welsch, Hunter, Perkins, Banks, Davis... even those guys might not be definites.

Ainges trades have been to give him flexibility at draft time and also at trading deadline times. He has created for himself so many different oppurtunities of how to build the team. Plus, I don't see how you can judge a GM after less than a year on the job, especially when he has come right out and said that it will be a 3 year process. Some folks act like Ainge promised a championship this year.



For instance, you hire a carpenter to put a addition on your house. He tells you it will take him 3 months to finish it. After 2 or 3 weeks, will you fire him because the addition is not complete? No? Well why not? At that point, wouldn't your house be a mess? Whatever demo was necessary would be evident. Everything would look in shambles. But you wouldn't fire him because it is not a finished product yet, nor did he promise it to be at that point.

Simply put, those focusing on the team on the floor right now will call Ainge a failure. Those who can look down the road a bit and see the options and see the ways that this team can improve will not call Ainge a failure, yet. If 2 years from now the team still looks disheveled and there isn't a whole lot of change from right now, then it will probably be the time to call Ainge a failure.


From: Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Eggcentric@xxxxxxx
CC: wayray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Celtics@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Celtics Latest Trade Most Preposterous says D'Alessandro
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:24:22 -0500

I dont get it. Are you people in the "Danny Ainge camp" upset that he is being criticized? By even the best of accounts, I do not see how he can be graded any higher than a C for this season for his performance. Why are you so upset that the press is reporting stuff on here that other posters have been sayign all along?

Eggcentric@xxxxxxx wrote:

D'Alessandro? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. .

This guy is a fool, he always hated the Celtics, he always hated Ainge since back when Danny played for us, he hasn't done his homework in
three years, and he has no clue what he's taking about. Just one more shortsighted sports writer with an agenda, trying to make us believe that all of Danny's considerable virtues are crimes.

So what if Danny would finish 30th out of 29 if vote for GM OF THE YEAR was taken tomorrow among GM's, coaches, players, and newspaper/.com writers. So what if his credibility gap has caused his players and coaches to quit on him big time. So what if fellow GM's are purposely playing hardball with him on the Baker situation and are hesitant to accommodate him in trades. And furthermore, Dallasandro, or however
you choose to spell your stupid name, I don't want to hear one word this summer about Ainge not being able to sign one important mid-level exception due to your cockabullyitisism that the word is out that the
Ainge-era Boston is a no-no place to play. No, you didn't say that in
so many words or even in any words, but I just knew what you were thinking.

Sounds to me like you would be a perfect fit for the Herald or the Globe. But if you can't say something positive about this team like "The Celtics RIGHT NOW have the talent to win the East, or at least rival the Nets,"
then why not just shut up.

Egg


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