Re: Is it all worth it?

[Kim <kimmalo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't know if it will work either, but I think everyone assuming it will take years and years into decades if it does is ignoring the importance of the confusion factor. What we have isn't championship calibre talent but looks much worse than it actually is because of how much confusion there is. There is complete cluelessness and a total lack of leadership on the court, as was highly evident last night when everyone was running around telling each other which pass they should have made and how oh, I though you were going to do this. That sort of problem would make a team of all stars look pretty bad. And that's on top of the inherent confusion that was planned/intended with the personnel changes, intended change in style (which I suppose you could say we've had, if not for the better), and of course the management changes. And that's without getting into other ones we don't know about.

I think if it ever does start to get pulled together to click (obviously not this season, but don't minimize the effect that just a bunch of concentrated camps and single messages out of management could have into next year), you might be amazed at how fast the improvement can accellerate. Again, not saying we're championship calibre talent right now, but it's not just the talent that brings winning. It's how you use it. And we're using it very very very badly.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Feb 20, 2004 2:47 PM
To: Shawn Niles <shizzjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Eggcentric@xxxxxxx, Celtics@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is it all worth it?

I do not know if his plan work.  I have swung from optimistic to 
ambivalent with an occasional fit of pessimism when it comes to Danny.  
However, one thing is starting to look clear, this team is not going to 
get markedly better fast.  As you say Shawn, it seems as though it will 
be played out for years.  If its a 5 year plan rather than progress next 
year and results the year after, I do not think we will ever be able to 
answer the question.  That is because I do not think Danny will be 
around if that is the case.  So, we run the risk of just when we might 
find out if it will work Ainge either resigning or being fired and 
someone new coming in with another plan.

Shawn Niles wrote:

> Eveyone is making assumptions that Ainges plan won't work. But even 
> Egg admits that she doesn't know. She says there are no guarantees. So 
> how can she be so sure that the plan will not work? Those that believe 
> in Ainge give their reasons why the plan will work. Those who don't 
> believe in Ainge give their opinions why the plan won't work.
>
> So round and round we go. This is Act 2 of the big Celtic Debate play. 
> Act one was whether or not to trade Antoine. Act two is whether or not 
> Danny's plan will work. This act seems as though it will be played out 
> for years, as was the Trade Antoine act. So get ready for years of 
> debates people. We'll go back and forth for at least the next few 
> years. Everyone will make their points, each side will try and dispute 
> the other side's points while trying to prove their own. Round and 
> round we go. The bottom line is no one knows for sure. One side will 
> end up being right and one side will end up being wrong but there will 
> be no way to tell until it is played out.
>
>
>> From: Eggcentric@xxxxxxx
>> To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Is it all worth it?
>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:37:31 EST
>>
>> If you find yourself suffering from Celt nightmares, just remember that
>> none of us are hypocrites in our sleep.
>>
>> Danny's ego has needed assuaging since that dark day back when
>> Auerbach dumped him. And what better way to heal himself and play
>> God than through the draft.  After all, it allows him a 3-5 year window
>> before the "Ainge is a Fraud" posse has enough evidence to go ahead
>> with the lynching.
>>
>> James is no loss even if Danny, pissed that Travis Best had the audacity
>> to say "I'll let you know," quickly signed James claiming he had been
>> his first choice of PG all along.  So what if Danny made offers to at
>> least four other PG's ahead of James, Mike was his guy all along.
>> But that was yesterday.  Today Danny says we have someone even better
>> than James, we have Atkins, the quintessential example of the veteran
>> PG we need to mentor Banks AND, wait till you hear this, another
>> first round draft choice.  YIPPEE!  Bring on the Perrier-Joukt; this 
>> calls
>> for a bit of the bubbly.
>>
>> Ainge has dealt our most valuable trading cards (with the exception 
>> of PP)
>> with a keen eye focused upon his infamous "Vision."  Yet what 
>> position of
>> importance - PG, PF, C - has Danny yet to permanently fill after all 
>> this
>> maneuvering, all this disruption?  I asked this before and one of
>> you answered that you felt these important voids will be filled through
>> the innate talent and future maturity of Banks, Hunter, and Perkins.
>> I disagree.
>>
>> Banks sure is speedy but has a grating 'tude, a Bball IQ of about 85, 
>> and
>> narrow court vision which may or may not be expandable or even
>> coachable. By all accounts, Perkins is a great kid with a great 'tude,
>> but who knows if that will eventually translate into his becoming a
>> top NBA center.  Hunter is Hunter,  a 6 ft. 6 inch (He's shrinking by
>> the minute) one-dimensional rebounding machine who adds little
>> more to the court than a few "duhs."  I would rather have the more
>> well-rounded Songaila.
>>
>> Now the development of yet three more first rounders threatens to
>> set us back even more years at a time when the casual Celt fan along
>> with many ticket-buying zealots have all but given up on this team.
>> Call it impatience with the poor misunderstood Ainge "Vision" -
>> the five-year plan of trading mediocrity for mediocrity while praying
>> that eventually a couple of darts hit the sweet spot on the draft 
>> target.
>>
>> Ainge's hubris/arrogance of course goes way beyond that.  He and Wyc
>> and Pag(liuca) honestly assume that several years from now, no other
>> NBA team will be ahead of us in talent, coaching, or year-end record.
>> It all makes me want to scream, "Hey, Holy Trinity, there are no
>> guarantees.  Ask any aspiring actor, final success doesn't automatically
>> go hand-in-glove with years of sacrifice."
>>
>> Egg
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