Re: The Madness Of King Dan or Oh What A Horrible Deal

[wayray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

While it's not as bad as the Baker trade, it's still a bad deal in
that Ainge didn't get enough and helped out the Pistons too much.
Not only did the Ainge trade allow the Pistons to add Wallace,
but re-sign Okur. So, even if Wallace is renounced and goes off to the
Knicks, Okur sticks around, and they can then move the other Wallace in time.
With Okur gone, the option to deal Wallace is a lot less feasible.

Rebraca is a poor example. You're talking about their 4th string big man.
Hardly a loss.

Detroit may be a powerhouse without the Celtics, but Ainge's trade certainly 
helped them continue on that path.
Ray

> ** Original Subject: Re: The Madness Of King Dan or Oh What A Horrible Deal
> ** Original Sender: Mark Piotrowski <markp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ** Original Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:41:46 -0800 (PST)

> ** Original Message follows... 

>
> On Feb 20, 2004, at 5:24 AM, wayray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> > In a double whammy of a horrible trade, Danny Ainge devalued his
> > own commodities and insured the Pistons continued Eastern
> > Conference dominance.
> >
> > Words can barely describe all stupid this trade was.
> >
> > But here goes.
> >
> > The Celtics had the Pistons over Niagara Falls size precipice in a 
> > barrel.
> > Detroit desperately needed the Celtics, who offered them the ability 
> > to make
> > a championship run with Wallace and re-sign Mehmet Okur.
> >
> > That was the situation.
> >
> > A championship run for Detroit and being a future EC powerhouse.
> >
> > All in the hands of Danny Ainge.
> >
> > What leverage!
> >
> > And Ainge got a Late First Round Pick for all that leverage.
> >
> > KABOOM!!!!
> >
> > He didn't hold out for two number ones or Carlos Delfino and the pick,
> > but settled for a crappy late first-rounder.
> 
> Ray --
> 
> i'll agree with you that Detroit needed us a lot more than we needed 
> them -- and thus should have gotten either Delfino or another pick.  
> But lets be realistic:  Detroit is a EC powerhouse without our "help".
> 
> > And now look at what he's wrought:
> >
> > It's not a given that Wallace will leave the Pistons at the end of the 
> > season.
> > They could take care of Okur first and then re-sign Rasheed. Or 
> > perhaps deal him
> > off in a sign and trade and enrich the team that way. But even if he 
> > departs, the
> > Piston thanks to Ainge can now re-sign Okur. With Okur and Milicic in 
> > the fold,
> > perhaps the Pistons then decide it's the right time to move out B. 
> > Wallace in
> > a deal.
> 
> though it may be a first, i think you're wrong here.  I think it IS a 
> given that Wallace leaves Motown -- because in order to have the room 
> to actually sign Okur (and Kim jump in here if i'm wrong) they'd have 
> to renounce their other FA's -- like Pitino did with Fox and Wesley to 
> sign franchise-savior Travis Knight.
> 
> you're right that what we did was guarantee the Pistons keep Okur, but 
> Wallace will be a Knick next year -- unless someone makes a ridiculous 
> offer for him much higher than the MLE that Isaiah gives him.
> 
> 
> > Whatever, but thanks to Ainge, the Pistons are in a much better 
> > position
> > in the future to trade for an impact player, say like a Tracey McGrady,
> > because they will continue to have a formidable crop of big people.
> 
> Well you can't have it both ways.  The Pistons have a "formidable crop 
> of big people" because they've drafted well, made smart trades and 
> smart FA signings:
> 
> Okur -- drafted in 2nd round, lower than the "crappy late 
> first-rounder" we got from Detroit.
> 
> B. Wallace -- not drafted (even lower than the "crappy late 
> first-rounder" we got from Detroit); received as almost a throw-in with 
> Chucky Atkins (who helped net them R. Wallace another of their 
> "formidable crop of big people") in the Grant Hill sign-and-trade.
> 
> Milicic -- drafted 2nd this year.  To say this is anything but luck on 
> the Pistons part is silly.  Their version of our Len Bias theft -- 
> without the tragic ending.  But is Milicic any closer to being an NBA 
> star than the player picked 25 spots later -- our own Kendrick Perkins?
> 
> R. Wallace -- they didn't get him for nothing (though it seems like 
> it).  They traded one of their "formidable crop of big people", Z. 
> Rebracca, who they drafter -- you guessed it -- lower than the "crappy 
> late first-rounder" we got from Detroit.  The other players were folks 
> they signed as FA's to short, low money deals with similar ending 
> years.
> 
> 
> Do I think this is the trade of the century?  No.  But i also don't 
> think its as you and Bill Simmons (who nailed it on the A-Rod deal (see 
> ESPN Pg. 2), but must be sniffing glue when he says this is the "the 
> dumbest, most inexplicable trade in the history of Boston sports" -- 
> c'mon Bill do these ring a bell?
> 
> the Vin Baker trade
> 
> Vitally for #9 pick in the 1999 draft
> 
> Vin Baker trade (so bad it bears repeating)
> 
> Let's all -- as Bill Simmons suggested in his A-rod column -- step back 
> from the edge.  Let's give this some breathing room and see what 
> happens.
> 
> (the other) mark

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