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Re: Unacceptable rebuilding?
Excellent post, Sean. I think you summed up the Ainge
era very fairly.
Ryan
--- Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I do not feel like I am driven by an agenda. If you
> look back to when
> Ainge was hired, I was ecstatic. I knew it meant
> Antoine would go. I
> did not like the Antoine deal they made, because I
> believed it made
> sense to wait till a better offer came along. I
> might not be as high on
> Jiri as some people are on here, but I think he will
> be a key player on
> this team for years to come. I have a wait and see
> attitude on the
> Davis-Williams trade. Given Eric's contract, it was
> a certainty he
> would be traded this year. We might have been able
> to make a better
> deal had we waited closer to the deadline. However,
> Ricky Davis hasnt
> been the horror he was described as. He has said
> some things that make
> me think that there might be some truth to what we
> heard about him.
> However, if its just some smack talk from him on
> occasion, I have no
> problem with the deal. He can score. He can dunk,
> giving the Celts a
> real above the rim type for the first time in a long
> time. He seems
> willing to play some defense as well. I like adding
> Mihm - I traded for
> him right away in my fantasy league and to be honest
> thought he was
> going to have more of an impact here. However, I
> still have hopes for
> him. As for OB, I could not stand him. I wanted
> him gone last year
> during the season never mind extending him. I think
> that was a mistake
> on Danny's part, but its arguable that he had no
> choice at the time. I
> do not see how any of this means I have an agenda.
> I certainly fall
> into the Antoine was not a cancer and has some real
> value camp, but I
> knew he was gone. In fact, the day the Vin Baker
> trade was made, my
> brother and I were talking and we both agreed that
> the trade meant that
> Antoine would need to be traded down the line and
> that made an already
> terrible deal even worse.
>
> I think Ainge can judge talent better than the last
> two guys here before
> him. However, thats kind of a backhanded compliment
> in itself. As for
> now, he has shown me enough of an eye for talent
> that I think he will be
> fine in that department. However, there is more to
> being a gm than
> simply judging talent. I think Ainge has done a
> pretty bad job in terms
> of the pr/public side of the deal. I did not like
> his ripping Antoine
> on his way out of town. He did it on the radio and
> in the press and
> then seemed surprised when Antoine fired back. He
> also keeps saying how
> he isnt rebuilding. He predicted as many or more
> wins this year than
> last. He has not really backed away from that. He
> said today on EEI
> that we are only a couple games off of where he
> thought we would be at
> this point of the season. He has sown an arrogance
> that I think will in
> time be self-defeating. I also thought it was
> pretty bad that he called
> up Barkley to plead for mercy in his tv analysis and
> it was even worse
> that "his friend" Barkley would make that public.
> I think he has
> failed to convince many fans that he has a plan and
> is implementing it.
> I also think that we are not a competitive team this
> year. I do not see
> how we can be all that much better next year than we
> were last year.
> Barring a major deal or a free agent steal with the
> midlevel exception
> or MArcus Banks (the most NBA ready of all the pg's
> in the draft)
> suddenly getting it, I think we are in a pretty
> tough bind. On EEI
> tonite, they were discussing that even if they ditch
> Baker they do not
> have the cap flexibility that many people thought
> they did (I dont know
> about this - just repeating it). If I had to grade
> Ainge right now, I
> would give him a C or a C-. If that means I have an
> agenda, then I
> guess I do.
> Shawn Niles wrote:
>
> > Who said anything about 3 years in the lottery?
> The way the conference
> > is, they may not go to the lottery at all. If they
> do, though, it
> > would only be for this year. There are just way
> too many signs
> > pointing to good things for this team starting
> next year. I'd list
> > them, but as Mark pointed out, you seem driven by
> an agenda and would
> > just ignore the facts.
> >
> >
> >> From: Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: Steve Ouellette <bosox18@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> CC: Celtics <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: Unacceptable rebuilding?
> >> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:29:10 -0500
> >>
> >> I think people bought the tank for Duncan idea.
> It made sense cause
> >> the team was just so bad and, at the time, it
> seemed the smart and
> >> logical way to rebuild. No Duncan and too much
> Pitino left people
> >> perhaps even more down on this team than during
> the ML Carr era.
> >> Attendance was down. I would imagine luxury and
> season tix were way
> >> down. Getting rid of Pitino and turning the team
> over to
> >> Walker/Pierce/OB brought us back to
> respectability. It certainly was
> >> not the last stop on the journey back to the top
> but for a while it
> >> felt like we wereh eaded in the right direction.
> Going back to 3
> >> years of lottery will really hurt this team. It
> will kill the new
> >> owners who depend so much on a packed house every
> night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Ouellette wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I just dont think a team like the Celts can
> take 3 years or more to
> >>>> implement a program.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I keep hearing this from different people, that
> you can't rebuild in
> >>> Boston, it won't be tolerated.
> >>>
> >>> Celtic wins, from the 1993-94 season through
> 2000-2001:
> >>> 32, 35, 33, 15, 36, 19 (short season), 35, 36.
> >>>
> >>> That's eight consecutive losing seasons. Now,
> because we made the
> >>> Eastern Conference playoffs two years in a row,
> we can no longer
> >>> tolerate anything less? The world will end, the
> Fleet Center will
> >>> sink into the ground and the team will disband?
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I won't tolerate any more steps that
> don't seem designed
> >>> to give us another championship. I think Ainge
> is doing fine ...
> >>> every person I've met who has been critical
> seems to think that it
> >>> was simply insane to give up a chance for 46
> wins and a 10 percent
> >>> shot at reaching the finals and being swept.
> Somehow the ultimate
> >>> goal has been corrupted.
> >>>
> >>> STEVE O
> >>
> >
> >
>
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