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Re: Unacceptable rebuilding?



Excellent post, Sean.  I think you summed up the Ainge
era very fairly.  

Ryan

--- Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I do not feel like I am driven by an agenda.  If you
> look back to when 
> Ainge was hired, I was ecstatic.  I knew it meant
> Antoine would go.  I 
> did not like the Antoine deal they made, because I
> believed it made 
> sense to wait till a better offer came along.  I
> might not be as high on 
> Jiri as some people are on here, but I think he will
> be a key player on 
> this team for years to come.  I have a wait and see
> attitude on the 
> Davis-Williams trade.  Given Eric's contract, it was
> a certainty he 
> would be traded this year.  We might have been able
> to make a better 
> deal had we waited closer to the deadline.  However,
> Ricky Davis hasnt 
> been the horror he was described as.  He has said
> some things that make 
> me think that there might be some truth to what we
> heard about him.  
> However, if its just some smack talk from him on
> occasion, I have no 
> problem with the deal.  He can score.  He can dunk,
> giving the Celts a 
> real above the rim type for the first time in a long
> time.  He seems 
> willing to play some defense as well.  I like adding
> Mihm - I traded for 
> him right away in my fantasy league and to be honest
> thought he was 
> going to have more of an impact here.  However, I
> still have hopes for 
> him.  As for OB, I could not stand him.  I wanted
> him gone last year 
> during the season never mind extending him.  I think
> that was a mistake 
> on Danny's part, but its arguable that he had no
> choice at the time.  I 
> do not see how any of this means I have an agenda. 
> I certainly fall 
> into the Antoine was not a cancer and has some real
> value camp, but I 
> knew he was gone.  In fact, the day the Vin Baker
> trade was made, my 
> brother and I were talking and we both agreed that
> the trade meant that 
> Antoine would need to be traded down the line and
> that made an already 
> terrible deal even worse.
> 
> I think Ainge can judge talent better than the last
> two guys here before 
> him.  However, thats kind of a backhanded compliment
> in itself.  As for 
> now, he has shown me enough of an eye for talent
> that I think he will be 
> fine in that department.  However, there is more to
> being a gm than 
> simply judging talent.  I think Ainge has done a
> pretty bad job in terms 
> of the pr/public side of the deal.  I did not like
> his ripping Antoine 
> on his way out of town.  He did it on the radio and
> in the press and 
> then seemed surprised when Antoine fired back.  He
> also keeps saying how 
> he isnt rebuilding.  He predicted as many or more
> wins this year than 
> last.  He has not really backed away from that.  He
> said today on EEI 
> that we are only a couple games off of where he
> thought we would be at 
> this point of the season. He has sown an arrogance
> that I think will in 
> time be self-defeating.  I also thought it was
> pretty bad that he called 
> up Barkley to plead for mercy in his tv analysis and
> it was even worse 
> that "his friend" Barkley would make that public.  
> I think he has 
> failed to convince many fans that he has a plan and
> is implementing it.  
> I also think that we are not a competitive team this
> year.  I do not see 
> how we can be all that much better next year than we
> were last year.  
> Barring a major deal or a free agent steal with the
> midlevel exception 
> or MArcus Banks (the most NBA  ready of all the pg's
> in the draft) 
> suddenly getting it, I think we are in a pretty
> tough bind.  On EEI 
> tonite, they were discussing that even if they ditch
> Baker they do not 
> have the cap flexibility that many people thought
> they did (I dont know 
> about this - just repeating it).  If I had to grade
> Ainge right now, I 
> would give him a C or a C-.  If that means I have an
> agenda, then I 
> guess I do.
> Shawn Niles wrote:
> 
> > Who said anything about 3 years in the lottery?
> The way the conference 
> > is, they may not go to the lottery at all. If they
> do, though, it 
> > would only be for this year. There are just way
> too many signs 
> > pointing to good things for this team starting
> next year. I'd list 
> > them, but as Mark pointed out, you seem driven by
> an agenda and would 
> > just ignore the facts.
> >
> >
> >> From: Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: Steve Ouellette <bosox18@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> CC: Celtics <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: Unacceptable rebuilding?
> >> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:29:10 -0500
> >>
> >> I think people bought the tank for Duncan idea. 
> It made sense cause 
> >> the team was just so bad and, at the time, it
> seemed the smart and 
> >> logical way to rebuild.  No Duncan and too much
> Pitino left people 
> >> perhaps even more down on this team than during
> the ML Carr era.  
> >> Attendance was down.  I would imagine luxury and
> season tix were way 
> >> down.  Getting rid of Pitino and turning the team
> over to 
> >> Walker/Pierce/OB brought us back to
> respectability.  It certainly was 
> >> not  the last stop on the journey back to the top
> but for a while it 
> >> felt like we wereh eaded in the right direction. 
> Going back to 3 
> >> years of lottery will really hurt this team.  It
> will kill the new 
> >> owners who depend so much on a packed house every
> night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Ouellette wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I just dont think a team like the Celts can
> take 3 years or more to 
> >>>> implement a program.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I keep hearing this from different people, that
> you can't rebuild in 
> >>> Boston, it won't be tolerated.
> >>>
> >>> Celtic wins, from the 1993-94 season through
> 2000-2001:
> >>> 32, 35, 33, 15, 36, 19 (short season), 35, 36.
> >>>
> >>> That's eight consecutive losing seasons. Now,
> because we made the 
> >>> Eastern Conference playoffs two years in a row,
> we can no longer 
> >>> tolerate anything less? The world will end, the
> Fleet Center will 
> >>> sink into the ground and the team will disband?
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I won't tolerate any more steps that
> don't seem designed 
> >>> to give us another championship. I think Ainge
> is doing fine ... 
> >>> every person I've met who has been critical
> seems to think that it 
> >>> was simply insane to give up a chance for 46
> wins and a 10 percent 
> >>> shot at reaching the finals and being swept.
> Somehow the ultimate 
> >>> goal has been corrupted.
> >>>
> >>> STEVE O
> >>
> >
> >
>
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