Re: Leave Obie alone!!

[Celtic4Hire@xxxxxxx]

Hogwash, Mr Beagle. I'm not interested in your political opinions either nor 
your opinions about of free speech. What you think about the Cs next season is 
all I'm interested in. 

Progaganda is usually when referred with governments is usually taken in a 
disparaging sense,  as of a body of distortions and half-truths calculated to 
bias one's judgement or opinions. The later of the above sentence is directly 
from a dictionary because I'm just not that smart. I looked it up just to make 
sure I was correct. But as you stated earlier today, why argue about word 
meanings and politics when they are so many better things to do?

Some message boards have a monitor to keep people on topic and prevent stupid 
discussions like politics that never change anyone minds. If you think it 
adds flavor during the off-season, might I suggest firing up the barbecue? I know 
I can just hit delete on stupid, non-value added e-mails but why allow 
someone to destroy what is a good product? Some people on this list are refugees 
from other boards for a reason. But that isn't my job, that is Paul M's job and I 
won't comment further. You can talk about free speech and bring the troops 
home and right wing conspiracies all you want....

DJessen33

<It's not unpatriotic to say that our government puts out propaganda.  It 
does.  That's not a value judgement, nor is it inherently good or bad.  It 
just IS.  It's HOW propaganda is used that makes a difference.  The 
government air dropped pamphlets before going into Iraq to encourage Iraqi 
soldiers to lay down their arms.  That's propaganda.

And if you're going to make an issue of someone's patriotism, why 
Eggy?  She's expressing her opinion in a peaceful manner, not advocating 
anything violent, and not trying to prevent anyone else from expressing 
their view.  I disagree with the notion that any form of real or perceived 
criticism of the government is unpatriotic.  We SHOULD question what we 
disagree with, so that a free and open discussion can take place to let the 
people decide if there needs to be a change in some way or other.

This freedom of speech is among the rarest of freedoms anywhere in the 
world.  Do some people take it too far?   Yes.  But that's part of the 
price paid for having the freedom in the first place.  This freedom of 
Eggy's to speak is balanced by your freedom to disagree with her.  As Harry 
Chapin said, "That sounds like America to me".

As far as political opinions being off topic for a Celtics 
list?  Probably.  But so far as I can see, the list is currently divided 
between two major groups--those who play virtual GM and those who are not 
so inclined and would like to talk about something else.  Problem is, 
there's not much directly Celtics-related going on right now.  So there's 
bound to be a little wandering topic-wise.  Things will settle back as the 
actual draft approaches.  Then, there'll be summer camp, which Vin Baker's 
presence might make more interesting than it usually is.  After that, 
there'll be the preparations for the new season.  So why not add a little 
variety when things are otherwise slow for Our Team?>