Re: Majordomo results

[Eggcentric@xxxxxxx]

Farewell, dear Hironaka and Bird.  But just remember, although you are 
not allowed to murder a woman who has injured you, nothing forbids 
you to reflect that she is growing older each minute.  See, you are 
avenged 1440 times a day.

That's the short response. Now here is the long response for those who
have the patience to sift through Jung's psychological profile of a real 
Celt fan.

Back around Feb. 21-25, Joe H., you received lots of heat on your views
concerning the Baker trade as not being costly to us at all as some 
were claiming.  Two of these responses via Tom Murphy were damn 
near brilliant.  You also received some heat about your claim that our 
poor FA signings were solely the work of Gastonomics rather than 
of Wallacetupidity.
  
Fine - isn't that the idealized version of the raison dbetre of such a 
hobby list? Is not their purpose to stimulate our interest in a favorite 
subject, to learn from others, to voice our opinions, to debate our 
differences, and to maybe have a little fun along the way?  Well I guess 
according to the Bible of Joe. H., it is not.  Because it turns out that the 
egos of the  "I am the MOSTEST loyalist Celt fan in the WHOLE WORLD 
and you bad guy naysayers aren't real fans "  have the need to constantly 
reinforce and articulate their position, downing those who dissent.  
And like elephants and idols, when the real battle begins, suddenly these 
mostest bestest Celt fans have feet of clay.

I am very disappointed in you, Joe H.  I enjoyed your energy, enthusiasm, 
research, simplicity, and abject Celt loyalty.  It was all good and it was 
all positive.  But then I disagreed with your blaming Gaston 100% and 
Wallace 0% for our particular FA signings and mentioned that you bled 
green.  Now that's a big revelation, n'est ce pas?  I mean, so what ... it 
isn't like you were called a serial killer, so why suddenly tuck tail and 
leave the igtc list in a snit over such a simple difference of opinion?

You and Bird and his dissed WayRay, Dorant, Jaims, op-ed specialists 
Berry, Kestas, Tom Murphy, Josh, Tyler, Hill, NCAA specialist Tammo, 
ace contributors Cecil, Douglas, Snoopy, Jessen and so many more 
are all part of the colorful tapestry that makes for an interesting 
igtc list. Really, the more flavors in the mix, the tastier the stew. 
We may fight each other on certain issues, but in the end, we need each 
other to stimulate our participation.

No question, Hironaka, I do bemoan the following which you included
yesterday on the Yahoo board in your repeat post concerning Baker's 
contract actually serving as a plus for our team.  I certainly never 
intended in my post of 2/22 to drive you to such depths. 

< The last time I sent a post like this, it got me more 
trouble than it was worth on another mailing list. 
Someone named "Eggcentric" wrote a silly and badly 
worded/written post (calling me a secret Chris Wallace 
fan etc.), and that was enough to make me unsubscribe 
from the IGTC Celtics list for good rather than bother 
replying. > - Joe H.

May your life never be more troubled. I will reprint said dreaded Egg 
reply below and question just why you were reduced to tears over it.  
If it is due to the Wallace remark, please note that after claiming you 
were not defending Wallace, you couldn't resist but to place him 
among the most recent top five NBA GM's in the very next paragraph.

You know what I really think, Joe - that you are too nice for such 
brash give and take, and that you should stick to Bball and not to the 
finances of our team. Your theory expressed yesterday was that the 
Baker trade is actually good for our team since we are now so far 
over the lux. tax that it's no prob now for us to just spend millions more. 
You must be a whiz with your credit cards, Joe, like   "Hey I now owe 
$10.000, so why not make it $20,000. "

Meanwhile, your pal Bird (did he just leave the igtc list or was he 
thrown off - it's unclear as his email to you states both) bemoans 
the good old days of the brilliant igtc posters.  With the little I know 
of Bird, I can only assume that these posters were in full agreement 
with his views thereby stroking his ego.  I love Bird's line,  "Allow the 
man making a "grand" exit to speak plainly and without style for once. "   
May I politely insert that I never felt this cynical, defensive, troubled,
grouchy critter EVER had style? 

And then there is his "Eggcentric" a "person" who does not even have the 
common courtesy to leave a recognizable name to her/his/its missives. 
Truly, no finer example of courage exists. "

I can only say that I am not a his or an it, and I see nothing wrong with 
signing my contributions via screename (even alternate screenames?), 
not via birth name.  Although, as I think back, I actually have at times 
signed Brenda (big deal - who cares) and once even stupidly listed the 
website to our hotel. 

You two, Joe H. and Bird, you come off as humorless little sore sports -
boys in a big man's world. If you can't take the heat, step out of the 
sandbox.  

Egg
   
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Re: Post West coast trip notes (Feb. 22)

< That's fine because I don't dispute your conclusion, but 
Egg we are playing around a bit with numbers here. > -Joe

Yes, we are.  And the reason is that while I am making reference
to Wallace screwing up big time on the minimum signings 
that he WAS allowed, you are making reference to the broader 
picture of what Wallace WAS NOT allowed -  the budget of a 
Sacramento to sign a $4.6 million Keon Clark or a $2.7 mill  
Bobby Jackson. 

Repeat: No one is blaming Wallace for not doing what he 
was not allowed to do - only for how he handled what he was 
allowed to do.

< The only three names I mentioned (Bobby and Jim Jackson 
plus Keon Clark) are as you realize on Sacramento's books 
for over 8 million dollars this season, while the four 
you name in return (Wolko, Sundov, Bremer, Waltah etc) 
make around 1/4 of that combined and drew zero interest 
from other teams. Not fair, Egg! > - Joe

It's perfectly fair. You listed Jimmy Jackson as a player who 
we could have had under different ownership.  I pointed out 
that Wallace could have signed Jimmy (and listed several other 
decent FA's as well) for the minimum instead of Sundov, 
Wolko, etc.  

< If you like, all of this still might well be a matter of  
Chris Wallace's "abject stupidity", but budget was a 
factor as well. >

Threepeat: Budget was not a factor concerning the four FA's
Wallace was allowed to sign.  His  "abject stupidity " was in 
WHO he chose to sign.  

< You can take the one-size-fits-all approach to the NBA 
minimum, but the richest of the four contracts Boston 
paid this summer (Waltah) was actually 100k less than 
what Jim Jackson got, hence around 1/6th of Sacramento's 
other critical summer signing (Keon Clark) or "Mini Me" 
for that matter. > -Joe H.

See above.

< You should not imply that Chris Wallace had roughly the 
same pool of money as everyone else, and somehow chose 
Wolko over Keon Clark. >
No no no no no = I did not imply that. I talked oranges for 
oranges, restricting my remarks to vet. min. contracts vs. 
vet. min. contracts.  Aha, Joe H., I hereby accuse you of the
one introducing and implying apples ($5 mill contracts) for 
oranges ( minimum contracts).  Your penalty: For a period of 
fourteen days, you will wear a Detroit Piston sweatshirt 
and cap while viewing all Celt televised games. 

< This is a GM who felt compelled to salary dump their summer 
star Joe Forte just because he made all of 1 million dollars. 
He's a guy who reportedly offered Rodney Rogers only one 
million dollars.> - Joe H.

Joe, I bet my husband could still be a summer star capable of
attracting Papile's discriminating eye in the prove-nothing 
summer league.  Forte was thrown into the Baker deal to make 
the math work,  but also because he is an internationally known 
pain in the ass - a mouth with an attitude larger than his talent. 
He will be out of the NBA sooner than later.   

Yes, the insulting Rogers offer was solely due to Gaston not 
wanting to exceed the luxury tax threshold.  But how did Wallace 
handle that budgetary challenge ... by clever trades or signings, 
no.  By adding Sundov, Wolko, and Baker, yes.  Arggggg.  Bring
me a cookie and a sip of brisk tea.

< I think the best thing to do is fire Chris Wallace. The 
substitution patterns on Vin and Kedrick, plus Obie 
support for the Blount do-over trade, suggest that the 
coaching staff is working at odds with the GM. > - Joe H.

True, but then why not fire O'Brien, too? After all, he hasn't 
exactly been an innocent bystander in all of this.  Lots of 
blame to go around here. 

< I'm not defending Chris Wallace. > - Joe H.

Then I am not exactly sure what you are doing or even
now why I am submitting this.  Holy cow. 
 
< But I do think Chris Wallace has as much of a leg to 
stand on as most GMs. I can imagine the bullet points on 
his c.v. and its really not that bad. We're talking maybe 
top five for GM of the year last year, and ECF in his 
first full year as GM. > -Joe H.

I admire your loyalty, Joe. Talk about bleeding green.
Wallace is a perpetual caricature of himself, a mockery
and contradiction of what he pretends to be and what
fans like yourself think/want him to be.  We are all his
victims.

<I hope we can come up with someone better. > - Joe H.

Me too.

< I really think the sky's the limit on this team, once the 
owners change their mindset on the luxury tax. > - Joe H.

Miracles are propitious accidents. 

Egg