RE: Real GM moves

["John Lyell" <jlyell@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think we have to move Battie to get a bigger body like a Marc Jackson,
Foyle, Kelvin Cato, etc. unless we can ,move him to the 4 spot and get a 5
for somebody else. Hell I would give Roy tarpley a tryout to see what he
has. Battie's numbers have been pretty poor and he continues to live up to
the "El Busto" moniker. What did he give us 8 & 6 last year? Kidd and Martin
and even guys like Aaron Williams and Collier killed us in the playoffs.
John Amaechi might be another player worth swapping some role players for.
plain and simple if we can't beat NJ without Zo, and he comes back healthy
were in for trouble.


John


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Subject: re: Real GM moves


>Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:14:29 -0700
>From: "John Lyell" <jlyell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Real GM moves
>
>Some Real GM Trades accepted within the salary cap rules
>

As I was reading through your ideas John, I realized that I'm
actually much more wary to trade Battie for some reason, than Walker.
Not because he's a better player -- since he's not by a long shot.
But maybe it's because he fills such a significant role on the team
defensive scheme that I think would be really hard to replace.

There are a host of players who I think could replace the things (or
some of the things) Walker brings -- Like Rahim or Wallace -- such as
scoring and rebounding.  It's like someone said the other day about
Kedrick playing instead of EWill, what do you lose?  Yeah Rahim might
not be as good a passer as Antoine, but he's a more efficient
offensive player.  So what you lose points-wise from AW's passes, you
"gain" with Rahim's fewer TO's and higher FG%.

I guess there are 2 reasons I'd be willing to trade Antoine.  (1) I
see him as our lone asset to add talent -- i.e through a 1-for-2
trade and added cap flexibility. (2) As Mark B. said so succinctly,
I'm game for anything but the status quo (though I like Michael's
take on Ainge's strategy vis-a-vis flexibility):

>I could accept a step back next season if it meant
>long-term improvement (dumping Baker with Antoine; an Antoine trade for a
>younger player who isn't quite ready, clearing cap room, etc.). I could
>accept "going for it" this offseason and using the mid-level exception and
>trading to fill spots with veterans. The one thing that's tough to accept
is
>status quo.

I would add taking a chance on a lateral move -- like Walker for
Rahim -- that might look even to slightly worse for the C's on paper,
on the chance that Rahim's skill set meshes with the core of
Pierce/Banks/Battie better than Walkers.  Saying that doesn't mean
Rahim is a better player than Walker, but that he might be better for
OUR team.

>Walker & Battie for Rahim & Mohammed

If this were Walker for Rahim, I'd go for it, but if we did this
version, Mohammed is our starting Center and that makes me nervous.

>Walker and Williams for Rasheed Wallace  & Zach Randolph

I would do this in a heartbeat -- mostly b/c Zach becomes your PF of
the future, and Sheed is a FA next summer (at more $$ than Walker I
think).  I don't think Portland would do this though -- I think NAsh
said Randolph and Qyentel Woods are the 2 untouchables.

>Battie, Williams and Bremer for Foyle, Sura and Pietrus

After watching Banks tonight i'm much more willing to trade Bremer
(and think we might at the deadline; though I like his hustle and
grit), but what does this get us?  Battie for Foyle is a loser for
us, I'd rather have Ewill than Sura and Pietrus is a complete
unknown.  And I think this gives us less flexibility.

I do think Golden St. might be interested in Bremer if Arenas leaves.
Wonder what else might work.

>Battie & Delk for Swift & Battier (Rumors of Memphis going after Pippen)

I would do this -- mostly for the gamble that it turns out to work.
I see Swift as the same type player as Battie -- an athletic PF who
could play Center.  Plus Battier is a great role player.  I don't
think Memphis would do this though -- even if they add Pippen.  I
would guess they could get much more for Battier, plus why get rid of
him?  Let him learn from Pip.

>Walker & battie for Jalen Rose & Tyson Chandler

Chicago would never do this -- and I'm not sure I would either.
Chandler really isn't a Center, but suppose he could play there.  I
don't think Rose and Pierce could co-exist.  That is one great thing
(among many) about Walker -- he has no problem letting Pierce have
the spotlight.

Thanks for coming up with these -- debating trades and draft
scenarios and FA signings is one of my favorite summertime activities.

(the other) Mark