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Re: Berry/Walker
Wow, I didn't know all those guys had more double doubles than Pierce.
Cecil
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Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Berry/Walker
> < but why would you overlook Paul's shortcomings and not
> his running partner's? > - pdelevett
>
> Because we were discussing Walker, not Pierce?
>
> It has frustrated me for several seasons now. Every time a poster
> dares to complain about Walker, Toine supporters feel compelled to
> introduce ''St. Paul's'' warts to the debate. I know not why, for as Hill
> says, it is comparing apples to oranges.
>
> Make no mistake, Toine supporters. Long before Ainge was hired, owner
> Pagliuca was out there not so subtly racing about testing the Walker
> trade waters. And if you don't think Danny is out there aggressively
> attempting to free his team of Dr. Strangeshoot, then you are in abject
> denial.
>
> Dr. Strangeshoot's career has been a race between stardom and catastrophe.
> Some have embraced the Walker wiggle while others have embraced the
> Walker wobble. Toine's star has shone brightly when games were going
> well, but when games were not going well, he all too often has exposed
> his dark side. All those childish technicals born of frustration, all
those
> panic turnovers, and all those just say yes to 3bs with 18 seconds
> remaining on the shot clock... am I to believe they were all but a figment
> of a Pierce supporter's imagination?
>
> Alas, poor Dr. Strangeshoot has been the ultimate mixed blessing,
> the childish toy of our juvenile debate. One drop of realism could have
> saved his soul. But prithee, he has always been a half drop shy. The
> harder he has tried to be all things to all, the less effective has been
> the play of our dear anarchistic jack of all trades master of none.
>
> It is not so much what Walker has done or not done for our team, but
> what his presence has stopped our team from doing. Like Berry says,
> Walker has been just versatile enough to damage our team structure.
> His unique multi-dimensional skills were never capable of atoning for
> their resultant void of a classic PF or distributing PG. Once Dr.
> Strangeshoot learned how to stop worrying and love the bomb, his
> presence not only dissuaded more accurate shooters from taking
> additional shots but also lulled our BDT into scoffing at the need for
> signing a real 2nd scorer to disperse the army of defenders who
> surround Pierce. I disagree with Josh that Walker is able to command
> a double team most of the time.
>
> But on to my major point - Walker supporters hang their hats on his
> unique versatility. Yet if DOUBLE-DOUBLES are considered an accurate
> assessment of a player's versatility/consistency, let it be known that
> TWENTY power forwards recorded more double-doubles than Toine this
> past season and two more (including the one-dimensional Ben Wallace)
> tied him for 36th place among the NBA elite.
>
> At last glance, it appears that Pagliuca and Ainge have been foiled
> in their attempt to replace AW with Karl Malone, but have smartly
> progressed up to $.38 on the dollar for his services from another team.
> That is more than I expected they might end up with.
>
> 2002-03 Regular Season Double-doubles
> B
> 1. Kevin GARNETT ( Minn. Timberwolves) 68
> B 2. Tim DUNCAN ( San Antonio Spurs) 58
> B 3. Shaquille O'Neal ( Los Angeles Lakers) 46
> B 4. Chris WEBBER ( Sacramento Kings) 45
> B 5. Elton BRAND ( Los Angeles Clippers) 44
> B 6. Jermaine O'NEAL ( Indiana Pacers) 43
> B 7. Dirk NOWITZKI ( Dallas Mavericks) 41
> B 8. Shawn Marion ( Phoenix Suns) 38
> B 9. Troy MURPHY ( Golden State Warriors) 37
> B 10. Pau GASOL ( Memphis Grizzlies) 32
> B 11. Brian GRANT ( Miami Heat) 31
> B 11. Jason Kidd ( New Jersey Nets) 31
> B 13. Donyell MARSHALL ( Chicago Bulls) 30
> B 14. Shareef ABDUR-RAHIM ( Atlanta Hawks)29
> B 15. Gary Payton ( Milwaukee Bucks) 28
> B 16. Brad Miller ( Indiana Pacers) 27
> B 16. Yao Ming ( Houston Rockets) 27
> B 18. Amare STOUDEMIRE ( Phoenix Suns) 25
> B 19. Jamaal Magloire ( New Orleans Hornets)24
> B 19. Kenyon MARTIN ( New Jersey Nets) 24
> B 21. Kobe Bryant ( Los Angeles Lakers) 23
> B 21. Stephon Marbury ( Phoenix Suns) 23
> B 23. Carlos BOOZER ( Cleveland Cavaliers)21
> B 23. Karl MALONE ( Utah Jazz) 21
> B 25. P.J. BROWN ( New Orleans Hornets) 20
> B 25. Zydrunas Ilgauskas ( Cleveland Cavs) 20
> B 25. Paul Pierce ( Boston Celtics) 20
> B 25. Jason Terry ( Atlanta Hawks) 20
> B 25. Kurt THOMAS ( New York Knicks) 20
> B 25. Jason Williams ( Memphis Grizzlies) 20
> B 25. Jerome WILLIAMS ( Toronto Raptors) 20
> B 32. Tracy McGrady ( Orlando Magic) 19
> B 32. Steve Nash ( Dallas Mavericks) 19
> B 34. Juwan HOWARD ( Denver Nuggets) 18
> B 34. Antawn JAMISON ( Golden St. Warriors)18
> B 36. Kenny THOMAS ( Philadelphia 76ers) 17
> B 36 Ben WALLACE ( Detroit Pistons) 17
> 36. Antoine Walker ( Boston Celtics) 17 (78 games, 41.5 mpg)