Re: Berry/Walker

[CeltsSteve@xxxxxxx]

In a message dated 7/5/03 5:32:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Eggcentric@xxxxxxx writes:

>  Because we were discussing Walker, not Pierce?
>
> Every time a poster dares to complain about Walker, Toine supporters feel
> compelled to introduce ''St. Paul's'' warts to the debate.  I know not why,
for
> as Hill says, it is comparing apples to oranges.


Why don't the Pierce advocates ever attempt to point out the areas of his
game that are deficient and objectively discuss HIS warts? Namely, his
penchant
to try to dribble into a crowd in a 1/2 court set, i.e., a one on two or a one
on three situation? Or his God awful attempts to do a spin move under the same
circumstances or (and I just love this one) in the open court? Both of those
usually end up in a TO with ball getting stripped or he dribbles off his foot
or he trips over his own feet and falls down and then whines for a call.

Why no mention of HIS glaring and whining at the refs when he doesn't get a
call and then pouting on the other end while the opponent is off to the races
leaving the C's at a disadvantage defensively? That's not exclusive to
Antoine,
ya know?

What about his poor decision making on the break? I mean he has NO business
handling the ball on the break to begin with given as weak of a ball handler
in
the open court as he is. He needs to be on a wing. What about his penchant to
likewise jack up ill advised 3's? Again, that's not exclusive to Antoine.

No, the apples to oranges label comes in when the Paul supporters gleefully
point to his scoring efficiency but gloss over or in some cases completely
ignore his warts. At least the Toine supporters acknowledge Toine's warts. And
whether you care to admit it or not, Pierce has more than his share of warts.


> Make no mistake, Toine supporters.  Long before Ainge was hired, owner
> Pagliuca was out there not so subtly racing about testing the Walker trade
> waters. And if you don't think Danny is out there aggressively attempting to
free
> his team of Dr. Strangeshoot, then you are in abject denial.


Nobody is in denial, abject or otherwise. Ainge SHOULD be exploring trade
talks and trade possibilities. As he himself said, NOBODY on this team is
untouchable, including St. Paul.

Kareem, Wilt, Barkley . . . they all got traded. Toine is no different. He is
the most logical target because along with Pierce they are the two players on
the C's roster with the most trade value. He only has two years left on his
current deal and Pablo is signed through the 2007 season with an option for
'07
- '08. The C's already have a PF on the books for the next 3 years that CAN'T
be traded so it only makes sense to explore moving Walker. I'd personally
have no problem trading Walker as long as the deal made sense and helped the
C's
but I don't advocate trading him just for the sake of trading him as
apparently you and countless others do.



> Toine's star has shone brightly when games were going well, but when games
> were not going well, he all too often has exposed his dark side.  All those
> childish technicals born of frustration, all those panic turnovers, and all
> those just say yes to 3bs with 18 seconds remaining on the shot clock... am
I
> to believe they were all but a figment of a Pierce supporter's imagination?


See above.  Might I suggest a visit to the optometrist? Apparently, you're
often times confusing Pierce for Toine.




> But on to my major point - Walker supporters hang their hats on his unique
> versatility. Yet if DOUBLE-DOUBLES are considered an accurate assessment of
a
> player's versatility/consistency, let it be known that TWENTY power forwards
> recorded more double-doubles than Toine this past season and two more
> (including the one-dimensional Ben Wallace) tied him for 36th place among
the NBA
> elite.



You really have no point, then, because I don't know any basketball pundit
who argues double-doubles are an accurate assessment of versatility. Other
than
a thinly veiled attempt by you to take yet another jab at Walker by creating
such a specious  hypothesis in the first place,  I'd say most basketball
pundits and fans would submit that triple doubles are much more accurate
reflection
of versatility. Let me guess, Pierce had three more double doubles than Walker
last year so that is the basis for your newfound arbitrary standard because
that is another way to slam Walker while pointing to Paul's superiority?

For you homework assignment, Professor, go back and redo your list and tell
us how many triple doubles those same listed people had last year and how many
do they have career to date?

And make sure you tell us, who has more career triple doubles: St.  Paul or
Evil Antoine?

Steve