Re: Vin Butcher, Vin Baker...

[Cecil <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

But part of the problem is that he commits a foul by simply taking off his
warm-ups in the eyes of the refs.  Some of his fouls have been
justified...but many of them have been the ticky-tack variety which an extra
special pain in the ass if the team is over the limit.

We have simply got to get that situation under control before we can utilize
ol Vincienzo to the max.

Cecil


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From: <hironaka@nomade.fr>
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: Vin Butcher, Vin Baker...


> Its troubling to see Vin Baker's numbers seemingly trend
> back down this month.
>
> I felt Baker was making headway by the end of December,
> averaging 5.6 points. Since then he's scoring 4.7 points
> in more minutes (20.8 this month).
>
> As a sidebar, Vin Baker is actually shooting .610 (25-41)
> from the field in January (50% for the season).
>
> But it used to be his teammates would look to help try to
> get going, and cheer him whenever he did well. Now he's
> getting bypassed a bit, even though he's hardly greedy
> about kicking passes back out.
>
> Obie's doing a good job of massaging his feelings, making
> sure the papers print quotes like how Baker
> played "great, great" defense against Milwaukee.
>
> To state the obvious, if Vin Baker really was playing
> great defense, he'd be averaging 32-35 mpg in Walker's
> absence (instead of 17.3).
>
> As long as he's a Celtic, I'm going to have to root for
> Vin Baker to do well. He'll be around for awhile.
>
> But if I were the owners, I'd privately hint to Chris
> Wallace that if he can move Vin Baker for even trash (as
> long as the contracts expire sooner)it would not be held
> against him. Otherwise any GM would (with good reason)
> fear that admitting his mistake would cost him his job.
> Either way, the owners have the right to evaluate every
> employee's contract this summer. In the meantime, Chris
> Wallace should bring Baker's name up in trade inquiries
> (its worth a try) in the same way we turned around and
> dumped Travis Knight (we basically renounced Rick Fox,
> Wesley etc. to get him).
>
> Vin Baker's still a lot better than what teams like the
> Knicks and Orlando have at center. He can fit into the
> styles of certain halfcourt teams, and Boston will take
> nearly as bad contracts in return. Sometimes its a GMs
> job to cut losses, not just try to hit homeruns.
>
>
>
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