Re: Possible Shammond Trades

["hironaka@xxxxxxxxx"<hironaka@xxxxxxxxx>]

Here is a terrific contribution from Mark P, that he 
suggested Mark Berry and I forward to the list.

Lots of interesting ideas therein. I wonder what Chris 
Wallace's thoughts are right now? 

p.s. FWIW, way back in the preseason, when Josh O., 
Michael Gooen and I had a chance conversation with Chris 
Wallace, he surprised me by already sounding lukewarm 
about Shammond's future in Boston. CW was talking about 
the various young players and their futures in Boston. 
Someone mentioned Shammond's name, and he replied "well 
he's more like an older guy...what is he 27-year-old?" I 
probably wouldn't read too much into that, but I expected 
Chris Wallace to be a lot more enthusiastic about 
Shammond.


> ---------- Initial message -----------
> 
> From    : Mark Piotrowski <markp@coe.ufl.edu>
> To      : hironaka@nomade.fr, berrym@BATTELLE.ORG
> Cc      : 
> Date    : Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:05:34 -0500
> Subject : Possible Shammond Trades
> 
> Joe & Mark,
> 
> I've been enjoying your trade scenarios on the Celts 
list and agree 
> its a great chance to add talent.  Maybe you could 
forward this to 
> the list (I've been on and off the list for years but 
am reading via 
> the web these days).
> 
> According to a ESPN.com column a few months ago 
> 
[http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2002/columns/misc/1451860.h
tml]:
> >"The Spurs, Nuggets, Jazz, Clippers, Pacers and 
Wizards will have 
> >max cap room next summer. Several other teams, 
including the Heat, 
> >Pistons, Sonics and Magic, will have significant cap 
room but not 
> >enough to offer a player a maximum contract."
> 
> What I don't know is what teams are close to the Luxury 
Tax this year 
> and might trade for an expiring contract to get under 
it (while we've 
> said we'll go over for 1-2 years).
> 
> I therefore present 8 potential trades involving 
Shammond (All check 
> out OK on realgm.com):
> 
> *THE REALM OF THE POSSIBLE*
> -----------------------------------
> 
> 1.  Shammond Williams --> DENVER for Donnell Harvey 
[with Mark Bryant 
> thrown in to make $$ work]
> 
> Maybe I'm a bit biased as a Florida Gator fan, but 
Harvey is having a 
> solid year	(7 pts, 5 reb) and would have only been a 
rookie next 
> year had he not left after his freshman year.  He's the 
kind of 
> young, backup SF/PF that the C's need (In fact I was 
hoping they'd 
> snatch him up when he was let go by the Mavs last 
year).  Bryant 
> could play 3-5 mins a game and mentor the young guys.
> 
> Denver is stocked (might even have a log-jam) with 
youngsters at the 
> forward position with Harvey, Hilario, Tskitishvili, 
Chris Anderson, 
> Rodney White and (if he's ever healthy again) Marcus 
Camby.  So 
> essentially trading Harvey for some additional cap 
space doesn't hurt 
> too much.
> 
> 2.  Shammond Williams [& Wolkowski for $$ to work]-->  
NEW ORLEANS 
> for George Lynch
> 
> Forget Mutombo, losing Lynch is the reason the 76ers 
went from the 
> Finals to the middle of the playoff pack.  He's a 
classic "glue" guy, 
> the type of player that holds together the stars and 
the scrubs -- 
> like O'Brien calls EWill.  I've hoped we could get him 
ever since he 
> went on the block in Philly.  He's currently hidden on 
NO's bench, 
> playing 11 mpg.  Getting him might take mins from 
Kedrick, but I'd 
> hope from McCarty instead.
> 
> Williams gives them a backup PG (with appologies to 
Robert Pack & 
> Bryce Drew) should Baron Davis or Wesley break down 
again, as well as 
> cap room to go with Elden Campbell's and PJ Brown's 
expiring 
> contracts.  A lateral move for the Bugs.
> 
> 3.  Shammond Williams [& Sundov & Wolkowski for $$ to 
work]--> 
> MEMPHIS for Stromile Swift
> 
> A little less likely scenario (since MEM has Jason 
Williams, Brevin 
> Knight and Earl Watson at the PG) but they also have 
players at PF/C 
> with Gasol, Gooden, L. Wright, Trybanski and SF with 
Batiste & 
> Battier (who I agree they won't give up, but also agree 
we shoudl 
> try).  Williams and Wolkowski give them 2 expiring 
contracts and 
> Sundov's expires w/ Wesley Person's and Brevin Knight's 
next year. 
> Jerry West is cleaning house and this would allow for 
more playing 
> time for Gooden, Gasol and Battier
> 
> Swift would fill that need of ours for a backup PF and 
C at a 
> reasonable cost.  I still think he could be a Dale 
Davis type player 
> in this league.  In fact if you look at his and 
Battie's numbers this 
> year they are virtually identical and Swift plays with 
worse players 
> and 6 mins less a game.  Losing Sundov's outside touch, 
of course, 
> would be a crushing blow.
> 
> 4.  Shammond Williams -->  LA CLIPPERS for Corey 
Maggette
> 
> Maybe wishful thinking here, but why not try.  The 
Clips are in 
> constant rebuilding mode.  Looks like they are going to 
blow up the 
> team this year, fail to keep any of their free agents 
and be unable 
> to attract any new ones.  Shhh, don't tell them that 
though.  Maybe 
> they'd be clueless enough to swap Maggette for a few 
more millions 
> off their cap.  I'm not one of these people who thinks 
every other GM 
> is an idiot waiting to make the Celtics better and 
don't think you 
> can trick 27 of the GMs in the NBA, but LAC is one of 
them (and so 
> far the Baker trade means the jury is out on Wallace :-)
> 
> Before getting hurt Maggette was having a really good 
season filling 
> in for Odom and Richardson (16 ppg, 5 rpg, 2 apg).  He 
would be the 
> 3rd scorer we've been looking for, moving EWill to a 
(better suited?) 
> 6th man role ala Cedric Maxwell and would take some of 
the pressure 
> off Pierce on the offensive end.
> 
> 
> 
> *THE WISHFUL THINKINGS*
> -----------------------------------
> 
> 5.  Shammond Williams & Kedrick Brown + #1 pick (PHI)--
>  LA CLIPPERS 
> for Lamar Odom
> 
> Again, probably not going to happen (and in fact would 
be my #1 
> choice), but why not make the offer -- its not THAT far 
fetched, in 
> fact probably more realistic than Shammond for 
Maggette.  The 
> Clippers know they're not going to resign Odom and 
while I'm sure 
> there are better offers but look at what they get:  
Shammond's cap 
> room to resign Andre Miller, a young player under a 
rookie contract 
> for 3 more years (the Clippers are nothing if not 
cheap) and Philly's 
> #1 pick (the Clips love those #1 picks and their 
promise of tomorrow 
> (and their rookie pay scale)).
> 
> I'm also not one of these "trade all our draft picks" 
folks.  I would 
> only give up Kedrick and/or Philly's pick in very 
special 
> circumstances.  This is one of them.  Odom is a star -- 
a bit 
> troubled yes, but a star nonetheless.  I read an 
article on ESPN.com 
> upon his return and he basically said, 
(paraphrasing):  "I don't care 
> about scoring and the spotlight, I'd much rather pass, 
rebound and 
> win."  Man for someone of his talent to say that, sign 
me up!  Can 
> you imagine Walker-Odom-Pierce at the 4-3-2?  I wonder 
if he and 
> Walker could co-exist, but wow.
> 
> 6.  Shammond Williams [& Wolkowski for $$ to work]-->  
DETROIT for 
> Michael Curry
> 
> Again a stretch, since Curry is DET's starting SF and I 
don't know 
> that you mess with what's working.  But he fits right 
into our (and 
> Detroit's) Defense First mentality.  He's no offensive 
star, but 
> would a nice starting SF, allowing EWill to come off 
the bench (or 
> vice-versa).  The kind of gritty, team-first player we 
need for a 
> deep playoff run.
> 
> Maybe Detroit makes the move for more cap space (to add 
to Cliff 
> Robison's and Jon Barry's expiring contracts) and hopes 
that Billups, 
> Rip Hamilton, Atkins and Barry can handle the Guard 
positions, while 
> Corliss Williamson, Hamilton and Hamilton pick up the 
20 mpg Curry 
> was playing.
> 
> 7.  Shammond Williams -->  SEATTLE for Vladimir 
Radmanovic [& Ansu 
> Sesay for $$ to work]
> 
> Let's be honest:  Seattle OWES us.  Big Time.  Our only 
hope is (a) 
> they realize this and (b) that they decide to pack it 
in and blow it 
> all up, using Payton's and old friend Kenny Anderson's 
capspace to 
> make a run at Jason Kidd & a PF.
> 
> Vlad Rad is avg 10 ppg, 5 reb, 1 stl.  You (and your 
grandmother) 
> could argue he would have been a better pick at eithr 
#10 or #11, but 
> hey you make up for it here.  Starting Rdamanovic 
allows Walker to 
> play SF and EWill come off the bench and he's cheaper 
than K. Brown 
> for the next 3 years!
> 
> 
> 
> *MAYBE -- JUST MAYBE?*
> -----------------------------------
> 8.  Shammond Williams & Vin Baker + #1 pick (PHI) -->  
ORLANDO for 
> Andrew DeClerq & Grant Hill
> 
> Seeing if you would read all this way down.
> 
> Chances of happening:  -10%, but if you really think 
about it, its 
> not all that crazy:
> 
> Living in Florida, I've seen that the 
> "Will-Grant-Play-Tonight-or-won't-he" saga is actaually 
proving to be 
> quite a distraction to the Magic players.  Doc Rivers 
has actually 
> stopped including him in the starting lineup b/c having 
to take him 
> out of it deflates the team.
> 
> By all accounts Hill will probably never play more than 
40-50 games a 
> year again.  Maybe not even that.  He's in Bill Walton 
territory 
> here.  Given his non-participation, his contract, is 
actually a 
> BIGGER albatross than Baker's -- if you can believe 
that.  At some 
> point I think Orlando will actually just hope Hill 
retires and they 
> can get a little cap relief that way -- otherwise they 
are where lots 
> of teams are Capped out w/ few tradeable assets.  I 
think Grant's 
> pride keeps him from doing that
> 
> Making this trade gives Orlando:
> 
> - a #1 pick
> - Williams' capspace to go with Darrell Armstrong, 
Vaughn, Kemp, 
> Oyediji, and Pat Burke's so they can make a run at 
Jermaine O'Neal, 
> Olowokandi, et al THIS year.
> - 1 less year on their contract albatross
> - some size up front, which they have even less than we 
do.  Can you 
> imagine a front line of Baker, Kemp and Burke?
> 
> Boston gets:
> 
> - rid of Vin Baker
> 
> As if that weren't enough, we also get:
> 
> - 30-40 games of Hill-Pierce-Walker a year
> - DeClerq as a backup PF/C and all-around energy guy.  
When he was 
> here he was asked to be a starting C -- he'll never be 
that, but he 
> can be a great backup PF/C b/c he plays with so much 
energy.  Sort of 
> like McCarty with some actual lowpost skills.
> 
> 
> Go Celtics!
> Mark Piotrowski
> Gainesville, FL
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