Re: Vin Baker

["Troy Hash" <troyhash@xxxxxxx>]

Sorry Josh, usually have great points and I usually agree with you, but any
kind of defense of Wallace is incomprehensable to me.  From trades to draft
picks, his tenure is littered with failure.   Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh O." <igtcjosh@yahoo.com>
To: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>; <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: Vin Baker


> Not only that, but Mark is dead wrong.  The trade was
> a mistake, but Vin Baker is a good teammate who has
> contributed in some small way to the Celtics this
> year, and deserves greater respect.  Obie is a
> frigging moron for not making an effort to make him
> more involved and confident; I would fire him before
> Wallace, because he is the primary author of what is
> going on now, which I by the way predicted months ago.
>  Give the guy the ball ten times a game, and you'll
> get 10-12 easy points, and a few turnovers.  Let him
> shoot a 12-footer facing the basket, or drive.  He can
> do all these things -- but even if he couldn't, it's a
> shame and a disgrace to treat a player the way Baker
> has been treated.  Everyone knows he's psychologically
> fragile, and they treated him like an old dog they
> wished would die.  The Baker "disaster" has been a
> self-fulfilling prophecy.
>
> Josh
>
>
> --- "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> wrote:
> > No offense Mark, but what is the purpose of bringing
> > this up?  We know the Baker trade isn't working and
> > we know that Wallace gambled and lost.  We know all
> > this.  If it is just venting and frustration, okay
> > then.
> >
> > I saw some excellent teamwork last night and was
> > very impressed at their willingness to move the ball
> > to the open man.  Like it or not we are going to
> > shoot the 3 at an abnormal rate.  Obie has rolled
> > the dice also in this respect, obviously figuring
> > that between Delk, Pierce, Walker, Bremer, Shammond
> > and Waltah, they may hit 40% of them.  For the most
> > part, our inside game is virtually nonexistent, save
> > for alleyoops last night to Battie, so I can see why
> > the coaching staff feels the need for the outside
> > game, especially Conner who was a long range bomber
> > himself.  I still would rather see us try to pound
> > the ball inside.  That is my preference.  But I
> > don't coach this team.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Berry, Mark S [mailto:berrym@BATTELLE.ORG]
> > Sent: February 06, 2003 9:49 AM
> > To: 'celtics@igtc.com'
> > Subject: Vin Baker
> >
> >
> > Lots of good stuff in the Globe and Herald today,
> > including the first really
> > critical, on-target criticism yet of Chris Wallace
> > (by Peter May).
> > Apparently at some point, things become so obvious
> > you can't avoid them any
> > longer.
> >
> > I'm going to talk about Baker because he overshadows
> > the game last night
> > (nice win, though). Do you see now why O'Brien
> > didn't make him any more of a
> > focal point than he did? Do you see why he made Vin
> > a bit player? The minute
> > you start to rely on Vin Baker, you're finished. I'm
> > disgusted with the guy.
> > Apparently there was speculation yesterday that
> > Baker was contemplating
> > retirement. We should be so lucky. We're stuck with
> > this embarrassment for
> > three more years after this. There is no trade out
> > there. There is no
> > contract that is worse. There is nothing to do. At
> > this point, I'm hoping
> > they remove him from the rotation completely and
> > actively encourage him to
> > retire. Maybe that's harsh, but the guy is stealing
> > money.
> >
> > The only person I'm more disgusted with is Wallace,
> > of course. Baker is here
> > only because Wallace brought him here. Wallace made
> > that choice. It's really
> > mind-boggling. I honestly can't remember a dumber
> > trade in the history of
> > sports. What a disaster. He has condemned the
> > Celtics to the worst fate you
> > can suffer in the NBA-mediocrity. They're good
> > enough to make the playoffs,
> > but we all know they're not good enough to win a
> > championship. They've been
> > lapped by the Nets and Pacers, and other teams in
> > the East are closing the
> > gap. There won't be anymore high draft picks.
> > There's no cap room. What you
> > see is what you get. Get used to 45 wins and early
> > playoff exits. Maybe
> > that's enough for some fans, who were so tired of
> > the years of losing. But
> > it's not enough. Not for the Boston Celtics. They
> > play for championships.
> >
> > It takes the fun out of games like last night. You
> > can enjoy them for what
> > they are, but you always know how this ultimately is
> > going to end.
> >
> > Mark
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