Re: All You O'Brien Groupies Can Rejoice

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Maybe the refs are dyslexic or have ADD.

DanF.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shawn Niles" <shizzjr@hotmail.com>
To: <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>; <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: All You O'Brien Groupies Can Rejoice


> Another minor point about the refs while we are on the subject. Not that I
> expected them to call it, but it was frustrating that the refs did not
call
> a 10 second violation once on Jermaine O'Neal while he was at the foul
line.
> A rule is a rule, right? The crowd was very loud in their counting so the
> refs must have heard them routinely getting up to 12 or 13 on almost every
> free throw. I was begging for it to be called just once so that i could
see
> the look on Jermaines face.
>
> (Although I guess if they called that, they'd have to disqualify every one
> of Shaq's free throws too since he steps across the line every time. And
you
> know they'll never do that.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> >To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> >Subject: RE: All You O'Brien Groupies Can Rejoice
> >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:36:23 -0300
> >
> >But we are Celtic fans....at least most of us are, Kestas.  There are
some
> >folks on this list who I do not think are truly Celtic fans because they
> >take such great delight in our losses and poor play.  When we win, they
are
> >silent about it.
> >
> >If the bottom line is business, than the Celtics are succeeding.  They
have
> >emerged from the land of the lotto, to make the playoffs in two
consecutive
> >seasons.  As a business person, one would want the additional revenue.
As
> >a fan, one would want their team to go as deep as possible into the
> >playoffs to improve the self esteem of your players.  These guys have
> >played ball their entire lives, but none of them, prior to last year, had
> >ever experienced the intensity of the ECF.  That builds character and
> >hopefully will make them work harder to address their weaknesses.
> >
> >As far as Tommy is concerned, though you do not agree, he has a point
about
> >the refs on many occasions.  But I find it odd that he is the guy who
wants
> >them to do what will appeal to you the most, run, run, run, rebound, look
> >up the floor, pass the ball to the open man, and you can't stand him.
> >
> >Cecil
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kestutis Kveraga [mailto:Kestutis.Kveraga@dartmouth.edu]
> >Sent: April 29, 2003 11:01 AM
> >To: celtics@igtc.com
> >Subject: Re: All You O'Brien Groupies Can Rejoice
> >
> >
> >--- You wrote:
> >I certainly respect your opinions but your views re: the C's short and
long
> >term future sucess (or lack thereof in your case) aren't really grounded
on
> >any hard facts but rather are purely speculative based upon your stated
> >distaste for the C's as currently constructed .
> >--- end of quote ---
> >
> >In a sense, everything is pretty speculative about a sports franchise.
That
> >said, being shut out by the so-called championship-contender teams this
> >season
> >is pretty hard evidence to me that we won't win anything as presently
> >constituted. And, if the BDT remains in place, it is a virtual
certainty -
> >based on its performance so far - that the team's personnel will not
> >improve.
> >As for liking their style of play, let me ask you this, CeltsSteve: do
you
> >like
> >the Celtics' style of play? Do you prefer it to the Sacramento's,
Dallas's,
> >even NJ's style of play? If you weren't a Celtics fan, would you rather
> >watch
> >the Celtics, or the aforementioned teams?
> >
> >
> >--- You wrote:
> >Some of us, though, just happen to be of the opinion that continuity
plays
> >a
> >major role in the success of any organization and building from the
> >foundation currently in place rather than tearing it down and starting
all
> >over is a more prudent means toward achieving the goal we as C's fans all
> >want to see; i.e. raising banner # 17.
> >--- end of quote ---
> >
> >Continuity is good when what you have is worth continuing. The foundation
> >currently in place is faulty, IMO, because the team is effectively led
and
> >coached (through the person of Obie) by a talented clown who plays
> >playground
> >ball where the goal is not to win, but to show the other guy up and to
> >display
> >your skillz   in the flashiest way possible (which basically means
> >attempting
> >to score in a most difficult fashion). Ironically, he only starts playing
> >solid
> >basketball when they really have to win, but that constitutes less than
10%
> >of
> >his games. More importantly, his teammates are iced out all season long
by
> >the
> >ObieWalker ball, reduced to spot-up 3-point shooters while Walker and
> >Pierce
> >take turns throwing up garbage, THEN blamed for being incompetent. At
least
> >Pierce has the talent to MAKE his garbage, throws up less of it, is much
> >more
> >solid fundamentally, and significantly increased his non-scoring
> >contributions
> >this season. Twan, conversely, is going in the other direction. But we've
> >been
> >over it a hundred times.
> >
> >The bottom line is this: it's a business and you have to please your
> >customers.
> >If I were the owner of the Celtics, I'd be worried about the ugly style
of
> >play
> >and the fact that a lot of fans hate Walker for the reasons I just
> >described.
> >They're always ready to boo him because, after seven years of watching
his
> >garbage, they are sick of it. He's on his best behavior now and they're
> >winning, albeit against the rudderless Pacers. But you just wait until
they
> >run
> >into the Nets, he gets intimidated by KMart, and starts throwing up
garbage
> >again. Whoever they run into next, I'm pretty sure no other NBA coach is
> >stupid
> >enough to put a skinny, aging shooting guard on Toine, so it'll be
hard-hat
> >time for fans in the expensive seats and more boos for Walker.
> >
> >Kestas
> >
> >PS While I'm in my bitching mode, let me get this off my chest: I've
> >stopped
> >watching the FSNE broadcasts if another broadcast of the Celtics game is
> >available. I'm so sick of Tommy's obsession with the refs. He adds
nothing
> >to
> >the broadcast anymore, it's always the same old three things: how the
> >entire
> >officiating corps is conspiring against the Celtics, his RUN-RUN-RUN!!!
> >paroxysms, and the Tommy point business. Some people gain wisdom and
> >perspective as they age; others LOSE all perspective and become
> >cantankerous
> >cranks fixated on some imagined ill or injustice. Sadly, Tommy is the
> >latter.
> >It's too bad really, because I've always liked, and still like, Mike
> >Gorman,
> >whom I find especially soothing if the Celtics are doing badly in a game.
> >But
> >Tommy needs to go. This probably sounds heretical to the Johnny Most fans
> >and
> >others with strong-prescription green glasses, but I can't take it
anymore.
> >I
> >much prefer the occassionally soporific, but always candid and insightful
> >Cooz.
>
>
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