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I saw TJ Ford play in the Birmingham NCAA games and on TV this past weekend.
He can handle the ball as well as anyone and is an excellent passer.
But, the bottom line is he has no outside shot beyond 10 feet.
EARTHMAN
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The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
Tuesday, April 1 2003 Volume 10 : Number 106
In this issue:
Walton, Jr.
Re: Walton, Jr.
Re: Walton, Jr.
Re: Walton, Jr.
Off-topic question
"Say it ain't so, Joe. "
Yao\Dikembe
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:31:28 -0800 (PST)
From: gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler@yahoo.com>
Subject: Walton, Jr.
My wife asked me if young Walton (Ariz. forward) would play pro and the more
I told her the reasons why he wouldn't be very good, the more I realized I
was describing Antoine Walker. He's somewhat of a tweener, can't jump, not
a great shooter, slow, but has good hands, knows the game and can pass. So,
I concluded that he could be pretty good if he acknowledged his weaknesses
and played to his strengths. Still, I haven't heard him mentioned as a
first rounder.
Cheers, Gene
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:29:10 -0500
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
Subject: Re: Walton, Jr.
I can't make up my mind on Luke Walton. Offensively, I think he could be
effective as a Eric Williams deluxe-good post-up player against small
forwards, much better rebounder and passer. He's a great passer and very
unselfish. But I think he'd get abused by small forwards on the other end.
But he's not big enough to be a true power forward. You're right that he
sounds a lot like Antoine.
I guess I come down on the side of he'll be pretty good. He knows how to
play, he lacks any kind of personal ego and seems like the kind of kid who
would find a way to help any way he could. Kind of like Shane Battier-not a
star by any stretch, but a valuable role player on a good team. I think he's
the kind of player the current BDT wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. They
seem to prefer the clueless, laid-back, athletic types over the smart,
gutty, unathletic plodders.
As for other draft thoughts after watching a lot of basketball the last
couple of weeks...
T.J. Ford. What can I say? The perfect fit, if they'd give him the ball and
ditch this dreadful offense. Moving up to get T.J. Ford and then trading
Antoine for a legit power forward (a Stackhouse/Kwame Brown package?) are my
offseason dreams. Ford is built like Kenny Anderson but plays like Jason
Kidd. I no longer have any concerns about his size. Like I said, he looks
like Kenny physically, and Kenny has done fine. Texas would be an NIT team
without Ford.
Carmelo Anthony. Great player. He's a true small forward. Antoine-like
skills, but applied better. He's out of our reach without trading Antoine or
Pierce to get him, and I just don't think he's worth it. He doesn't bring
that much to the table that the captains don't already, and there's that
element of the unknown. Oklahoma's coach Kelvin Sampson said he may be as
good as or better than LeBron, and I'm not so sure he's wrong. I'll probably
look like an idiot for saying this, but I think LeBron's hype has exceeded
his potential. He'll be great-maybe even Kobe great-but I've seen him play.
It's like watching a player with an NBA body and skills against the kids
from Hoosiers. He's just on a different level physically. He'd probably do
what Anthony has done in college. Of course, any GM would trade either of
our captains for LeBron. I think there's a point in there somewhere, but
I've lost track.
Hinrich and Collison (Kansas). They look like solid pros, but nothing more
than that. Collison reminds me of an undersized Christian Laettner. He'll
have a long career, but never be much more than serviceable. Hinrich just
doesn't do it for me. I may be wrong, but I'm just not seeing it. I don't
think he sees the floor well. His effectiveness is dependent on his jumper.
I don't see him making other players better. Again, I don't seem him as much
more than OK. Maybe I haven't seen him enough. Tammo would know more about
both these guys.
Dwyane Wade. He's an undersized shooting guard, and I hate those guys. But
for some reason, I think he might be able to make the adjustment. I see a
little Steve Francis in him. He'll never be a point guard, but he handles,
passes and rebounds too well to be a non-factor in the NBA. He's a good
athlete and he knows how to play. I'm not sure I can come up with a great
comparison. Quentin Richardson? Not exactly. I don't know. I think he makes
it, though.
Emeka Okafor. Very interesting. The Mourning comparisons are pretty
accurate, only he's slightly shorter (and that's significant). Not sure he's
a center in the NBA, but how many centers are there in the NBA? He's not a
power forward. Maybe a Mourning/Theo Ratliff hybrid. I like him a lot.
Chris Kaman. He's OK. Nice hands, nice touch, plays pretty hard. Puts up
huge numbers against sub-par competition (the MAC is very sub-par; I've seen
a lot of MAC basketball). I remember Casey Shaw dominating at Toledo of the
MAC. Who's Casey Shaw? That's my point exactly. Kaman will be a decent
player, but don't expect much more than that. He's not Ilgauskas. Cross
Ilgauskas' game with Brad Miller's size and you're close. But that's not
bad, is it?
Raymond Felton. Love him. If we stay where we are and Ford is off the board,
Felton is my pick. Another natural point guard who can make teammates
better. Not quite the dynamic playmaker Ford is, but a little better
shooter. Only a freshman, so he's not as polished as Ford. He was the single
biggest factor in North Carolina's turnaround this year (although the end
result still wasn't up to Carolina standards).
That's about it. I know Ray takes a lot of heat, most of it deserved, but
I'll give credit where it's due when it comes to the international players.
I appreciate the posts about these guys.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:15:59 EST
From: Celtic4Hire@AOL.com
Subject: Re: Walton, Jr.
Kaman played against some pretty good competition in the tournament and did
well, although I don't remember who they played against in particular. He
has
awesome footwork and can score with either hand. Still, Baker had awesome
footwork and look what happened to him. Since I modeled my inside game after
Kevin McHale, following him through college and then the Cs, I have always
been a sucker for a fundamentally sound, inside player...(but who knows what
is going on in their head)....
DJessen33
> <Chris Kaman. He's OK. Nice hands, nice touch, plays pretty hard. Puts up
> huge numbers against sub-par competition (the MAC is very sub-par; I've
seen
> a lot of MAC basketball). I remember Casey Shaw dominating at Toledo of
the
> MAC. Who's Casey Shaw? That's my point exactly. Kaman will be a decent
> player, but don't expect much more than that. He's not Ilgauskas. Cross
> Ilgauskas' game with Brad Miller's size and you're close. But that's not
> bad, is it?.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:30:52 +0800
From: "JSC" <jaimscastillo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Walton, Jr.
I still have concern about TJ Ford's size though... Kenny is 6'1 and played
like Kidd in college, actually he was offensively polished and dished a lot
too... unlike Ford who's 5'10 and has really skinny features and seems
delicate (what more with the NBA-pounding), no question he can run a team
but Brevin Knight did that too, Tyus Edney did it too...but again, the NBA
pounding did them in. my point is, TJ can play but i don't know if he can
apply and duplicate his skills in the NBA...or be as lethal as he is now in
college. maybe or maybe not...
the only guy i like in this bunch is Emeka Okafor...
Jaims
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From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: Walton, Jr.
> I can't make up my mind on Luke Walton. Offensively, I think he could be
> effective as a Eric Williams deluxe-good post-up player against small
> forwards, much better rebounder and passer. He's a great passer and very
> unselfish. But I think he'd get abused by small forwards on the other end.
> But he's not big enough to be a true power forward. You're right that he
> sounds a lot like Antoine.
>
> I guess I come down on the side of he'll be pretty good. He knows how to
> play, he lacks any kind of personal ego and seems like the kind of kid who
> would find a way to help any way he could. Kind of like Shane Battier-not
a
> star by any stretch, but a valuable role player on a good team. I think
he's
> the kind of player the current BDT wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole.
They
> seem to prefer the clueless, laid-back, athletic types over the smart,
> gutty, unathletic plodders.
>
> As for other draft thoughts after watching a lot of basketball the last
> couple of weeks...
>
> T.J. Ford. What can I say? The perfect fit, if they'd give him the ball
and
> ditch this dreadful offense. Moving up to get T.J. Ford and then trading
> Antoine for a legit power forward (a Stackhouse/Kwame Brown package?) are
my
> offseason dreams. Ford is built like Kenny Anderson but plays like Jason
> Kidd. I no longer have any concerns about his size. Like I said, he looks
> like Kenny physically, and Kenny has done fine. Texas would be an NIT team
> without Ford.
>
> Carmelo Anthony. Great player. He's a true small forward. Antoine-like
> skills, but applied better. He's out of our reach without trading Antoine
or
> Pierce to get him, and I just don't think he's worth it. He doesn't bring
> that much to the table that the captains don't already, and there's that
> element of the unknown. Oklahoma's coach Kelvin Sampson said he may be as
> good as or better than LeBron, and I'm not so sure he's wrong. I'll
probably
> look like an idiot for saying this, but I think LeBron's hype has exceeded
> his potential. He'll be great-maybe even Kobe great-but I've seen him
play.
> It's like watching a player with an NBA body and skills against the kids
> from Hoosiers. He's just on a different level physically. He'd probably do
> what Anthony has done in college. Of course, any GM would trade either of
> our captains for LeBron. I think there's a point in there somewhere, but
> I've lost track.
>
> Hinrich and Collison (Kansas). They look like solid pros, but nothing more
> than that. Collison reminds me of an undersized Christian Laettner. He'll
> have a long career, but never be much more than serviceable. Hinrich just
> doesn't do it for me. I may be wrong, but I'm just not seeing it. I don't
> think he sees the floor well. His effectiveness is dependent on his
jumper.
> I don't see him making other players better. Again, I don't seem him as
much
> more than OK. Maybe I haven't seen him enough. Tammo would know more about
> both these guys.
>
> Dwyane Wade. He's an undersized shooting guard, and I hate those guys. But
> for some reason, I think he might be able to make the adjustment. I see a
> little Steve Francis in him. He'll never be a point guard, but he handles,
> passes and rebounds too well to be a non-factor in the NBA. He's a good
> athlete and he knows how to play. I'm not sure I can come up with a great
> comparison. Quentin Richardson? Not exactly. I don't know. I think he
makes
> it, though.
>
> Emeka Okafor. Very interesting. The Mourning comparisons are pretty
> accurate, only he's slightly shorter (and that's significant). Not sure
he's
> a center in the NBA, but how many centers are there in the NBA? He's not a
> power forward. Maybe a Mourning/Theo Ratliff hybrid. I like him a lot.
>
> Chris Kaman. He's OK. Nice hands, nice touch, plays pretty hard. Puts up
> huge numbers against sub-par competition (the MAC is very sub-par; I've
seen
> a lot of MAC basketball). I remember Casey Shaw dominating at Toledo of
the
> MAC. Who's Casey Shaw? That's my point exactly. Kaman will be a decent
> player, but don't expect much more than that. He's not Ilgauskas. Cross
> Ilgauskas' game with Brad Miller's size and you're close. But that's not
> bad, is it?
>
> Raymond Felton. Love him. If we stay where we are and Ford is off the
board,
> Felton is my pick. Another natural point guard who can make teammates
> better. Not quite the dynamic playmaker Ford is, but a little better
> shooter. Only a freshman, so he's not as polished as Ford. He was the
single
> biggest factor in North Carolina's turnaround this year (although the end
> result still wasn't up to Carolina standards).
>
> That's about it. I know Ray takes a lot of heat, most of it deserved, but
> I'll give credit where it's due when it comes to the international
players.
> I appreciate the posts about these guys.
>
> Mark
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:48:11 -0500
From: "Stephen Beauregard" <sb@maine.rr.com>
Subject: Off-topic question
Does anyone recall the site a couple of years ago that had emails for
different NBA people? I am looking for Paul Pierce's email (long story) and
have come up short. I recall a couple of years ago that he emailed the list
and it was him@proplayers.com (something like that). ANyway, if anyone
recalls
it and can point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Steve
sb@maine.rr.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:24:43 EST
From: Eggcentric@AOL.com
Subject: "Say it ain't so, Joe. "
Ye gads! For all you Red Sox fans out there, could the season have started
on a more frustrating note?
The Sox may well have the most potent hitting team in the history of
baseball,
yet relief appears to be seven relievers away.
Talk about a rehearsal of the past... it just came a little early this
season.
Geesh. Bring on the NBA playoffs... may they last till October.
Egg
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:39:31 -0500
From: "Shawn Niles" <shizzjr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yao\Dikembe
Anyone else find it amusing that Dikembe is saying that he couldn't
understand what Yao said? Dikembe might be the hardest guy to understand in
the league. It just amused me.
P.S. - I guess Mutumbo didn't forget how to use his elbows while he was out.
Mutombo had four points and eight rebounds in his second game back from the
injured list. It was his first career meeting with Yao, and Mutombo nailed
him in the throat with an elbow late in the second quarter when Mutombo got
into position to box out.
Yao collapsed to his knees, holding his throat, and Mutombo was whistled for
a foul despite his protests.
``I can't believe my elbow can reach his neck,'' Mutombo said. ``I thought I
was going to get it between his chest and stomach and box him out. Next
thing I knew he was on the floor. I didn't realize that so I told him to
``get up.''
``I hope he understand me,'' Mutombo continued. ``When we went to the other
side. I asked him: 'Are you all right?' I don't know what he say.''
Yao did not seem pleased -- either when the elbow hit him or when he
discussed it afterward.
``I think his face is a little bit cuter than his elbow,'' Yao said through
an interpreter. ``It's something that's not even worth talking about. It's
something that even if it was intentional, it did happen. He was penalized
for it and I got my two shots. Maybe next time I'll use a little tape.''
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