Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V9 #381

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>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
>  Tuesday, November 19 2002 Volume 09 : Number 381
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V9 #380
> K.Brown out again
> If it makes you feel better...
> Antoine's FG% issues
> Re: Thanks Dad
> Re: K.Brown out again
> Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V9 #380
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> Re: K.Brown out again
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> Showtime
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> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:08:42 EST
> From: GuyClinch@AOL.com
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V9 #380
>
> Hi there,
>
> >
> > But when it comes to making actual defensive plays,
> > Pierce is still one of the team leaders. I actually trust
> > him as the Celtics most capable of making a big stop one-
> > on-one when needed. But Walker's intensity seems higher,
> > and better than before. I don't know how these guys can
> > do it on both ends for 40 minutes.
> >
>
> Battie can make a huge defensive play now and then as well..
> I actually think K. Brown is the best defensive talent...then Pierce then
> Battie..
> Shammond and Delk are actually okay defensively, provided they aren't
> guarding much bigger guys. I don't think Cassell looked all that great
> against them..actually..
>
> But yeah...PP is one of the best if not the best defensive player on the
> team..
> when he wants to be.
>
> Pete
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:39:33 +0200
> From: "hironaka@nomade.fr"<hironaka@nomade.fr>
> Subject: K.Brown out again
>
> The new injury occurred Friday morning in practice (see
> AP story below), but apparently wasn't reported until
> today.
>
> So we have an eleven man roster (and no scouts) for
> another month of the season. Given the lux tax situation,
> as described by Peter May on Sunday, things don't look
> too bright on that front.
>
> At least its nothing serious (hyperextended toe), but it
> looks like we won't be at full strength until the new
> year. In the meantime, I hope Kedrick reconsiders his
> current shoe deal.
>
> Poor guy. Last year's sprain probably cost him not only a
> starting job but probably also the NBA slam dunk contest.
> And this year's injuries must be even more personally
> frustrating, what with so many kids from his draft class
> finally making an impact in the NBA throughout the league.
>
>
> http://www.boston.com/dailynews/322/sports/Brown_out_anoth
> er_month_with_t:.shtml
>
> Brown out another month with toe injury
> By Associated Press, 11/18/2002 14:41
>
> WALTHAM, Mass. (AP) Boston Celtics forward Kedrick Brown,
> who missed the season's first 10 games with a sprained
> ankle, is out another month with a hyper-extended big toe
> on his right foot.
>
> Brown, who was activated last week, hurt his toe Friday
> morning during a pre-game practice when he stepped on a
> teammate's foot.
>
> Coach Jim O'Brien planned to use the 6-foot-7 Brown as
> his first player off the bench at small forward or
> shooting guard. That means less rest for Tony Delk and
> Walter McCarty, O'Brien said Monday.
>
> In preseason, O'Brien hoped Brown would become part of
> his regular playing rotation. But the 11th pick in last
> year's draft from Okaloosa-Walton Community College
> sprained his right ankle Oct. 10 in an exhibition game
> against Chicago.
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:25:49 +0200
> From: "hironaka@nomade.fr"<hironaka@nomade.fr>
> Subject: If it makes you feel better...
>
> ...about the b2b losses and latest Kedrick injury, a
> bunch of papers have been reporting/speculating on Tim
> Duncan's spaghetti dinner at New Jersey guard Jason
> Kidd's home Tuesday, the night before the Spurs played
> the Nets. The following day, Kidd had Tony Parker for
> breakfast on the court.
>
> The Spurs have 19 million in payroll next summer, with
> David Robinson and Steve Smith (9.9 million!) both
> clearing the cap or retiring.
>
> I think whatever it is Tim Duncan wants, whether it be
> Kidd or Kandi, is what his ownership will go get for him.
> As long as Duncan is there, the Spurs by definition have
> a "championship nucleus". I think its pretty clear Kidd
> is looking at every offer to leave NJ, a place he has no
> real ties too.
>
> I don't know about you guys, but I'm feeling much better
> already!
>
>
> Here's what Sam Smith writes:
>
> "Kidd supposedly wants to go to Seattle. But even if they
> let Payton go, the Sonics won't have much more than about
> $8 million to pay a free agent, while Kidd could get a
> $14 million starting salary with the Nets.
>
> The issue surfaced again last week in New Jersey when
> Duncan and the Spurs played the Nets.
>
> "On the court, he makes his teammates better," Kidd
> said. "He's one of the best big men in this game. We will
> explore, at the end of the season, if we can play
> together."
>
> Offered Duncan: "If it comes to fruition, it will be
> great. Jason is every basketball player's favorite guy to
> play with. You look at the Nets, he makes Kerry Kittles
> better, he makes Kenyon Martin better. Obviously, the
> chance to play with him would be a great opportunity, if
> it ever presents itself."
>
> The Spurs will have the salary space to satisfy Kidd
> because David Robinson is retiring. But the belief, with
> developing point guard Tony Parker, is they'll go for
> Clippers free agent Michael Olowokandi to free Duncan
> from having to guard Shaquille O'Neal.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:29:43 +0200
> From: "hironaka@nomade.fr"<hironaka@nomade.fr>
> Subject: Antoine's FG% issues
>
> Despite the slow start Antoine Walker's 2-point FG%
> stands at .470FG% (55-117), so far after 10 games.
>
> This helps confirm certain impressionistic observations
> made by fans, namely that Walker:
>
> 1) has eliminated categories of FG attempts that used to
> lead to gang blocks, like the nifty but futile one-on-one
> drives that start out from the 3-point line.
>
> 2) seems to have stopped lobbing up hand grenade style
> shots.
>
> 2b) actually looks at the rim before releasing most shots.
>
> The last point is the most notable. Walker has to fully
> lock his eyes onto the rim before he shoots, even if its
> for a fraction of a second.
>
> But Antoine still rushes a lot of spin lay-ins and
> reverse lay-ins. I don't care if he had the greatest
> natural shooting skill (and he's not bad) he'd still
> finish no better than 40% unless he locks onto the rim.
> Ultimately, he'd not a great jumper and he has the short
> arms, so the fundamentals have to be there.
>
> Plus Antoine's drives are open season for a body foul,
> and every defender knows this. They'll also smack down
> hard on top of the ball, it rarely makes it out of his
> hands on many so-called "blocked shots".
>
> But these are judgement calls, its not like he's
> completely getting screwed by the refs.
>
> It seems fairly easy to draw contact on your hands, the
> way they gang maul him. Just conceal more of the ball
> with your offhand or something. Sometimes I get the
> feeling he's not trying to draw contact, because he
> doesn't have the hang-time to pull it off.
>
> You take the average NBA guy, not just a Paul Pierce but
> say Mercer when he was with us, and put him in the same
> situation (driving a lane with help defense closing onto
> him too late).
>
> Watching plays like that develop, you can pretty much
> expect how it will end: namely, at worst, with two shots
> at the line. For Walker its a no call and awkward shot or
> rejection following a body slam. That's partly his fault
> too.
>
> Walker's best season previously inside the 3-point line
> was .440 (.439 actually) in 2001.
>
> Then he regressed last year, which raised all kinds of
> dilemmas. After all, his shot selection SEEMED better yet
> it seemingly wasn't helping. Does this guy just suck? Is
> he a 23ppg player trapped in the body of 12 ppg player?
>
> Maybe this year, he'll stay up above .470 like the Bird
> in some of his MVP and playoff glory seasons.
>
> You can nitpick, but every other aspect of Walker's game
> has been neatly sorted out over these past years, or was
> already at a high enough level.
>
> There's a myth that he hasn't improved his game, because
> one thing (FG%) stays the same.
>
> To wit, these days I even feel more confident when he's
> at the FT line than when Pierce is there these days.
>
> +++
>
> Basically, we need all three things to come together at
> home on Wednesday against the Showtime Nets. We need a
> perfect game at the jungle.
>
> We need Pierce to hit better than 20% on treys like he's
> been doing so far, while also doing the same things he
> picked up over the summer (like his improved passing). We
> need him to take Jefferson, or whomever he guards, as a
> personal challenge.
>
> We need Walker to have a fourth straight solid shooting
> game.
>
> And most importantly we need the support guys to show
> they are capable of hitting open shots this year, if
> that's truly possible.
>
> Its not just shooting from distance, like Delk and
> Shammond. I'd also like to see Battie and Baker less
> shaky on 17-footers facing the basket.
>
> Those are shots that should go down, with no questions
> asked. But Battie looked horrible as a shooter Saturday.
> And Baker looks tentative taking that easy shot, and
> seems more happy to turn it down.
>
> And BTW, center is one of several statistical positions
> of strength relative to the Nets this year, although the
> Nets are clearly the stronger team until proven
> otherwise. Mutombo is averaging 1.3 blocks I believe, and
> shooting 38% from the field.
>
> In fact, all three Nets offseason acquisitions (Mutombo,
> Rogers and Childs) thankfully have been statistical busts
> to date, not to mention moving on court like ones (busts).
>
> Mr Exec-of-the-Year couldn't find Jason Kidd any backup
> help or a quality big man. That could end up
> meaning "arrivaderci Kidd" this summer, bada bing and
> bada boom.
>
> If its provable in any way, we need to show the Nets that
> this is a better shooting team than the one they faced in
> the playoffs. Remember, we beat Philly with Walker and
> Pierce held to 35 points combined and a ton of turnovers.
>
> Every once in awhile everything does come together, and
> we'll need that kind of night on Wednesday. The crowd
> should be great. The game preparation should be pretty
> solid, given the preparation time (the Nets play tonight).
>
> Joe H.
>
>
> p.s. After that its onto the Hawks twin bill, but hey,
> Lon Kruger is still the coach and Atlanta is a crap
> sports town. The Hawks could bring in three 20 point
> scoring averages to that game (Glenn Dog, Shareef and
> Terry), not to mention a guy averaging 4 blocks a game in
> Theo Ratliff and a couple of other big 2-guards hitting
> over 47% from the field. Note: game previews seem fine as
> long as they are more than 24 hours before the fact.
> That's why I'm cramming all this in ahead of time. This
> should be an interesting week.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:52:01 EST
> From: Eggcentric@AOL.com
> Subject: Re: Thanks Dad
>
> < The SI print edition reported last week that Boston is
> the only NBA team, thanks to Gaston, that does not employ
> an advance scout on the payroll this season, not even
> part time. All other teams have two such scouts. > - Joe H.
>
> On the other hand, Joe, we have SIX coaches.
>
> ObBrien plus -
> John Carroll (College - Dickinson College '77)
> Lester Conner (College - Oregon State '82)
> Joe Gallagher (College - Pembroke State '68)
> Dick Harter (College - Pennsylvania '53)
> Frank Vogel (College - Kentucky '96)
>
> Don't you think a couple of these assistant coaches scout out
> other teams?
>
> And then of course there is Player Personnel Director Leo
> Papile - choke, gasp wheeze.
>
> Eggy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:08:58 -0500
> From: "Dan Forant" <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: K.Brown out again
>
> Kedrick a starter, isn't that bungee stretch?
>
> DanF
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hironaka@nomade.fr>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:39 PM
> Subject: K.Brown out again
>
>
> > The new injury occurred Friday morning in practice (see
> > AP story below), but apparently wasn't reported until
> > today.
> >
> > So we have an eleven man roster (and no scouts) for
> > another month of the season. Given the lux tax situation,
> > as described by Peter May on Sunday, things don't look
> > too bright on that front.
> >
> > At least its nothing serious (hyperextended toe), but it
> > looks like we won't be at full strength until the new
> > year. In the meantime, I hope Kedrick reconsiders his
> > current shoe deal.
> >
> > Poor guy. Last year's sprain probably cost him not only a
> > starting job but probably also the NBA slam dunk contest.
> > And this year's injuries must be even more personally
> > frustrating, what with so many kids from his draft class
> > finally making an impact in the NBA throughout the league.
> >
> >
> > http://www.boston.com/dailynews/322/sports/Brown_out_anoth
> > er_month_with_t:.shtml
> >
> > Brown out another month with toe injury
> > By Associated Press, 11/18/2002 14:41
> >
> > WALTHAM, Mass. (AP) Boston Celtics forward Kedrick Brown,
> > who missed the season's first 10 games with a sprained
> > ankle, is out another month with a hyper-extended big toe
> > on his right foot.
> >
> > Brown, who was activated last week, hurt his toe Friday
> > morning during a pre-game practice when he stepped on a
> > teammate's foot.
> >
> > Coach Jim O'Brien planned to use the 6-foot-7 Brown as
> > his first player off the bench at small forward or
> > shooting guard. That means less rest for Tony Delk and
> > Walter McCarty, O'Brien said Monday.
> >
> > In preseason, O'Brien hoped Brown would become part of
> > his regular playing rotation. But the 11th pick in last
> > year's draft from Okaloosa-Walton Community College
> > sprained his right ankle Oct. 10 in an exhibition game
> > against Chicago.
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------
> > L'e-mail gratuit pas comme les autres.
> > NOMADE.FR, pourquoi chercher ailleurs ?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:18:08 EST
> From: RickDHome@AOL.com
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V9 #380
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2002 12:54:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com writes:
>
>
> > Talent-wise, you'd think the West still has 4 of the 5
> > starters (everyone but Jason Kidd) locked down on the 1st
> > team All NBA.
> >
> > And that's not even including MVP candidates like Steve
> > Francis, Nowitzki or Webber (after Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and
> > Garnett on the first team).
> >
>
> Not at all sure I'd take Garnett over Nowitzki at this point.  In fact I'd
> take Dirk over KG right now.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:56:54 EST
> From: Eggcentric@AOL.com
> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Baker=20vs.=20Player=20X=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0
=09?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0=20=20=20=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0?=
>
> < At one point in my life, my mom was taller than I.>
>
> I suspect she still is judging by your love of female posters.
>
>
> < You'd rather have Blount and let Gaston pocket the change?  >
>
> You would harelip the Pope, Lance.  Yes, I would rather have any
> peripheral NBA minimum player rather than a mediocre at best
> $13 mill guy who is causing big-time team dissension and whose
> future contract is clearly crippling to our future hopes.  How many
> teams in the NBA have three max contracts and so little else? It is
> a rotten distribution of funds.
>
> Eggy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:59:45 -0500
> From: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEJha2VyIHZzLiBQbGF5ZXIgWAnCoAnCoAnCoAnCoCAg?=
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>
> There's Denver, and there's the rest of the NBA.  The No-gets scored 53 in
a
> loss against the Pistons over the weekend.  Blount's an outspoken leader
of
> the team, and a go-to guy.  The Celts are looking to win the East, and
> Baker's a role player getting a minimal number of minutes.
>
> At one point in my life, my mom was taller than I.
>
> This is a snapshot in history, and it will change; it's already shifting
> toward more success for Baker.  Look at Yao Ming's impact in the NBA.
> Someday he'll point to his first games in the league and laugh.
>
> You'd rather have Blount and let Gaston pocket the change?  Not worth
> discussing.  I remember Acie Earl having the biggest night the Fleet
Center
> had seen, playing for Toronto, I believe, and scoring 41 points against
the
> Celts.
>
> There are examples and aberrations.  Eggy confuses the two.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Eggcentric@AOL.com>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:16 PM
> Subject: Baker vs. Player X
>
>
> > Can you guess who PLAYER X is?
> >
> >
> > 2002-03 comparisons:
> >
> >         Baker   Player X
> >
> > G       10      9
> > GS      0B       9
> >
> > MPG 20.0    22.2
> > FG% .453    .481
> > 3P% .000    .000
> > FT% .640    .833
> > RPG 4.3     4.1
> > APG 1.0     .90
> > SPG .40     .55
> > BPG .60     1.33
> > TO      1.90    1.78
> > PPG 6.4     7.8
> >
> >
> > FIRST HINT: Player X is 7b tall.
> >
> > (scroll down for second hint)
> >
> >
> >
> >  TOTALS
> > B    B
> >
> >
> > SECOND HINT:  Player X salary - $788,000
> >
> > (scroll down for answer)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ANSWER: Mark Blount
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:25:39 -0500
> From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Baker_vs=2E_Player_X=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0=09? =
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>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Eggcentric@aol.com [mailto:Eggcentric@aol.com]
> Sent: November 19, 2002 9:57 AM
> To: celtics@igtc.com
> Subject: Re: Baker vs. Player X
>
>
> < At one point in my life, my mom was taller than I.>
>
> I suspect she still is judging by your love of female posters.
>
>
> < You'd rather have Blount and let Gaston pocket the change?  >
>
> You would harelip the Pope, Lance.  Yes, I would rather have any
> peripheral NBA minimum player rather than a mediocre at best
> $13 mill guy who is causing big-time team dissension and whose
> future contract is clearly crippling to our future hopes.
>
> Eggy
>
> * Please enlighten me about the "causing big-time team dissension"
comment.
>
> Cecil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:46:14 -0500
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Brown Has A History Of Injuries
>
> But they've been minor, still the minor became a major/
> And this article was written before knowledge of the latest injury
> became known.
>
> Article Last Updated:
> Friday, November 15, 2002 - 9:36:29 AM MST
> (Thanks to Boston Media Sports Watch)
>
> Brown's ankle a sore spot
> By ROB BRADFORD
> Lowell Sun Staff
>
> The pros are in full swing, the colleges have just kicked off and the
> high schools are right around the corner. It's officially time to begin
> indulging your basketball appetite.
> - -- Boston Celtics guard Kedrick Brown sat in front of his locker
> Wednesday night telling the assembled media that his sprained right
> ankle was nothing to worry about. Outside of the same injury he suffered
> in January, Brown insisted he had never experienced such an ailment and
> that's why he was going to finally start taping his ankle for the first
> time as a precaution.
>
> According to some of the voices from his past, however, the ultra-quiet
> second-year player's most recent injuries might be more of a trend than
> he's letting on.
>
> Sam Barham, Brown's high school coach, remembers his star player
> spraining his ankle a few times as a prep star, although never enough to
> miss a game. And although Brown never taped his ankles in high school,
> he and his teammates were forced to wear Stromgren ankle wraps
> throughout their entire career under orders from Barham.
>
> Barham also recalled Brown suffering a few ankle injuries at
> Okaloosa-Walton Community College, although the record shows that the
> Celtics' 2001 first-round draft pick never missed time because of any of
> those mishaps. Brown did, however, miss three games with the Raiders
> because of a turf toe during his conference tournament.
>
> There is one more tidbit that might put Celtic fans' minds at ease
> concerning Brown's imminent comeback: In his first game back from the
> turf toe he scored 37 points.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:48:57 EST
> From: Eggcentric@AOL.com
> Subject: Re:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Baker_vs=2E_Player_X=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0=09? =
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>
> In a message dated 11/19/02 2:26:30 PM, Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA writes:
>
> < Please enlighten me about the "causing big-time team dissension"
>  comment. >
>
> - - Cecil
>
> I thought that was obvious to all Celtic watchers including even Shira.
>
> < The Celtics' frustration with each other was clearly
> visible last night at the Bradley Center. Antoine Walker and Paul
> Pierce shot frustrated glances at teammates as miscues,
> miscommunications, and mental lapses infected the play of everyone in a
> green uniform. By the end of the game, the coaches could only shake
> their heads and Jim O'Brien had long since stopped shouting > - Shira
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:09:31 -0500
> From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=3D=3Fiso-8859-1=3FQ=3FRE=3D3A=5FBaker=5F? =
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>
> Not that I am pretending to be a know-it-all or anything, but count me as
> one person who thinks this is a ridiculous item.  Teammates continually
get
> frustrated by mistakes made by their guys.  So what?  This is not even
> worthy of mention as far as I'm concerned.  Don't watch Jordan interact
with
> his guys if you don't agree cuz he does it every night.  And he is hardly
> alone in that category.
>
> If Walker is pissed at Baker because a rebound went out of bounds off of
> them, he should be more aggressive in his rebounding since Vinny is such a
> pussycat, right?  Should Baker be pissed at Pierce when he bricks 4 free
> throws in a game?  And if he was, who would be causing the dissension?
>
> Foolishness.
>
> Cecil
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Eggcentric@aol.com [mailto:Eggcentric@aol.com]
> Sent: November 19, 2002 10:47 AM
> To: Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA
> Subject: Re:
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Baker_vs=2E_Player_X=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0=09? =
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/19/02 2:26:30 PM, Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA writes:
>
> < Please enlighten me about the "causing big-time team dissension"
>  comment. >
>
> - - Cecil
>
> I thought that was obvious to all Celtic watchers including even Shira.
>
> < The Celtics' frustration with each other was clearly
> visible last night at the Bradley Center. Antoine Walker and Paul
> Pierce shot frustrated glances at teammates as miscues,
> miscommunications, and mental lapses infected the play of everyone in a
> green uniform. By the end of the game, the coaches could only shake
> their heads and Jim O'Brien had long since stopped shouting > - Shira
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:39:06 +0200
> From: "hironaka@nomade.fr"<hironaka@nomade.fr>
> Subject: Re: K.Brown out again
>
> > ---------- Initial message -----------
> >
> > From    : owner-celtics@igtc.com
> > To      : <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Cc      :
> > Date    : Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:08:58 -0500
> > Subject : Re: K.Brown out again
> >
> > Kedrick a starter, isn't that bungee stretch?
> >
> > DanF
> >
> >
>
> Wasn't he in the starting line-up at the time of his
> injury? He didn't make a big impression, that's true.
>
> Maybe Dr Kestas can enlighten us, but that Lowell article
> about Kedrick getting an ankle sprain in HS but not
> missing a game seemed like non-news. It would get
> rejected out-of-hand by big city paper editors,even on a
> slow news day. On the face of it, its like reading that
> George Bush (or whomever) had a cold three times in high
> school, but never missed school.
>
> The sad news is that this guy is falling back another 10-
> 15 games of experience.
>
> For a guy that hasn't established himself yet, the
> chances of integrating him in the rotation this season
> seem slimmer. I have to agree that your better off in the
> short term sticking with vets who have already developed
> some defensive chemistry.
>
> McCarty is such a big key to our success this year
> (November and December). I don't think we can complain
> about his defense actually.
>
> On offense, and in general, this a guy who seemingly
> hasn't worked to improve his game. If anything, he's
> becoming much more one-dimensional and abandoning skills
> (I define the word loosely) that he used to have.
>
> For that reason, he's a more reliable spot-up 3-point
> shooter than we've seen before. But that's easy if that's
> all there is to your game. Eric Williams isn't half as
> reliable on the three this year, because thankfully he's
> making an effort to contribute a complete offensive game.
>
> Echoing what others have said, its pretty disappointing
> that a guy who can actually GUARD shooting guards isn't
> working, on the offensive end, on some post-up moves to
> take advantage of his huge wingspan advantage.
>
> It looks like Walt's allergic to weight rooms also. Weird
> to see a guy that age not fill out a bit in the arms and
> legs.
>
> But he is still high energy and hasn't exactly hurt the
> team in my view. I can see why he's popular. He's not
> just standing around out there.
>
> We have to count on this guy in the coming month. He
> needs to keep stepping up.
>
> BTW, Lance seems right to ask the question. How do you
> get "turf toe" wearing sneakers, by landing on someone?
> What is he trying to be, a ballerina? And could this be a
> Shaq-type of thing?
>
> I'm trying to think of athletes whose careers were
> derailed by "chronic" ankle sprains (or toe sprains).
> Hopefully, there aren't many. But this guy needs to start
> playing. He'll always be fascinating to watch, even
> though I doubt he's going to be a scorer in the NBA. For
> a guy built so thick, he jumps like nothing I've ever
> seen.
>
>
>
> - -------------------
> L'e-mail gratuit pas comme les autres.
> NOMADE.FR, pourquoi chercher ailleurs ?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:03:35 -0500
> From: "Dan Forant" <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: K.Brown out again
>
> Dizzy Dean's career was shortened by big toe problems. Kedrick hasn't had
a
> sniff at a career yet. This teams makeup is so fragile we couldn't afford
to
> lose the towel boy.
>
> DanF
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hironaka@nomade.fr>
> To: <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> Cc: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: K.Brown out again
>
>
> > > ---------- Initial message -----------
> > >
> > > From    : owner-celtics@igtc.com
> > > To      : <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Cc      :
> > > Date    : Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:08:58 -0500
> > > Subject : Re: K.Brown out again
> > >
> > > Kedrick a starter, isn't that bungee stretch?
> > >
> > > DanF
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Wasn't he in the starting line-up at the time of his
> > injury? He didn't make a big impression, that's true.
> >
> > Maybe Dr Kestas can enlighten us, but that Lowell article
> > about Kedrick getting an ankle sprain in HS but not
> > missing a game seemed like non-news. It would get
> > rejected out-of-hand by big city paper editors,even on a
> > slow news day. On the face of it, its like reading that
> > George Bush (or whomever) had a cold three times in high
> > school, but never missed school.
> >
> > The sad news is that this guy is falling back another 10-
> > 15 games of experience.
> >
> > For a guy that hasn't established himself yet, the
> > chances of integrating him in the rotation this season
> > seem slimmer. I have to agree that your better off in the
> > short term sticking with vets who have already developed
> > some defensive chemistry.
> >
> > McCarty is such a big key to our success this year
> > (November and December). I don't think we can complain
> > about his defense actually.
> >
> > On offense, and in general, this a guy who seemingly
> > hasn't worked to improve his game. If anything, he's
> > becoming much more one-dimensional and abandoning skills
> > (I define the word loosely) that he used to have.
> >
> > For that reason, he's a more reliable spot-up 3-point
> > shooter than we've seen before. But that's easy if that's
> > all there is to your game. Eric Williams isn't half as
> > reliable on the three this year, because thankfully he's
> > making an effort to contribute a complete offensive game.
> >
> > Echoing what others have said, its pretty disappointing
> > that a guy who can actually GUARD shooting guards isn't
> > working, on the offensive end, on some post-up moves to
> > take advantage of his huge wingspan advantage.
> >
> > It looks like Walt's allergic to weight rooms also. Weird
> > to see a guy that age not fill out a bit in the arms and
> > legs.
> >
> > But he is still high energy and hasn't exactly hurt the
> > team in my view. I can see why he's popular. He's not
> > just standing around out there.
> >
> > We have to count on this guy in the coming month. He
> > needs to keep stepping up.
> >
> > BTW, Lance seems right to ask the question. How do you
> > get "turf toe" wearing sneakers, by landing on someone?
> > What is he trying to be, a ballerina? And could this be a
> > Shaq-type of thing?
> >
> > I'm trying to think of athletes whose careers were
> > derailed by "chronic" ankle sprains (or toe sprains).
> > Hopefully, there aren't many. But this guy needs to start
> > playing. He'll always be fascinating to watch, even
> > though I doubt he's going to be a scorer in the NBA. For
> > a guy built so thick, he jumps like nothing I've ever
> > seen.
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------
> > L'e-mail gratuit pas comme les autres.
> > NOMADE.FR, pourquoi chercher ailleurs ?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:30:21 -0500
> From: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Baker_vs._Player_X =A0 =A0 =A0
=3F__=3D_=3D=3Fiso-?=
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>
> Let's assume that the dissension is amongst the fans, not the players,
> Cecil.  There's no way that our starting five is impacted by the addition
of
> Baker, and how he's cost the team.  They're not holding their own against
> the best teams' first string, and that's costing the Celts.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wright, Cecil" <Cecil.Wright@JUSTICE.GC.CA>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Baker vs. Player X       ? =
> =?iso-8859-1?QA0___=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0=09=A0?=
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eggcentric@aol.com [mailto:Eggcentric@aol.com]
> > Sent: November 19, 2002 9:57 AM
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: Baker vs. Player X
> >
> >
> > < At one point in my life, my mom was taller than I.>
> >
> > I suspect she still is judging by your love of female posters.
> >
> >
> > < You'd rather have Blount and let Gaston pocket the change?  >
> >
> > You would harelip the Pope, Lance.  Yes, I would rather have any
> > peripheral NBA minimum player rather than a mediocre at best
> > $13 mill guy who is causing big-time team dissension and whose
> > future contract is clearly crippling to our future hopes.
> >
> > Eggy
> >
> > * Please enlighten me about the "causing big-time team dissension"
> comment.
> >
> > Cecil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:26:58 -0500
> From: "Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@attbi.com>
> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?UmU6IEJha2VyIHZzLiBQbGF5ZXIgWAmgCaAJoCAgCaAgICAJ
oAmgCaAJ?= =?iso-8859-1?B?oA==?=
>
> Let's not talk about the Pope, Eggy.  His main man in the U.S. has been
> allowing a whole lot of lips used in a manner that would make any rabbit
> run.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Eggcentric@AOL.com>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Baker vs. Player X
>
>
> > < At one point in my life, my mom was taller than I.>
> >
> > I suspect she still is judging by your love of female posters.
> >
> >
> > < You'd rather have Blount and let Gaston pocket the change?  >
> >
> > You would harelip the Pope, Lance.  Yes, I would rather have any
> > peripheral NBA minimum player rather than a mediocre at best
> > $13 mill guy who is causing big-time team dissension and whose
> > future contract is clearly crippling to our future hopes.  How many
> > teams in the NBA have three max contracts and so little else? It is
> > a rotten distribution of funds.
> >
> > Eggy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:57:21 +0200
> From: "hironaka@nomade.fr"<hironaka@nomade.fr>
> Subject: Showtime
>
> I caught a bit of the "Showtime" Nets game last night. It
> was the whole works, reverse alley-oop jams, everything.
> And Kidd still wipes the side of his ass before blowing
> pretty imaginary kisses at the hoop. What's funny is he
> thinks he's so cool.
>
> Byron Scott still wears the same wardrobe from the 1980s
> LA scene.
>
> The local announcers talked at length about the
> importance of the upcoming Celtics game. Kelly
> Tripukaface said that talent was there in Boston but the
> difference was basketball "IQ", where the Celtics are
> retards, about half as smart as the Nets.
>
> I can't argue with that commentary, until proven
> otherwise on the court. With or without Jason Kidd, they
> are a much more structured team with old school
> influences (the Princeton offense). These guys would beat
> Argentina by 40 points.
>
> The matchups remind me a bit of the 1980s Celtics-Lakers
> games. The Nets can open any game on us with a 15-4 run.
> They can also make those runs at any stage of a game.
> They get easier looking baskets even in the half-court
> set. They have better individual talent on defense than
> any team in the conference, including Detroit.
>
> The Celtics can be tough for long stretches of defense,
> we have more scorers and more shooters, and can come back
> in a bigger hurry than any team in the league.
>
> Kidd is shooting a lot more this year, arguably too much.
> No one else on the team is averaging better than 13
> points.
>
> What's interesting is that you can sense the Nets
> announcers have the same nagging fears about Boston that
> most of us justifiably have about the Nets.
>
> No doubt you have memories of Pierce's 46 point second
> half in their gym. You have six Boston regular and
> playoff wins over the Nets last year. You have the
> comeback game. You have "the jungle." You have the
> nagging inferiority re: team achievements in the past and
> ACTUAL sold out games in the present.
>
> As noted earlier by Michael Gooen, the Nets owners have
> the same rectangular-shaped banners in the rafters. But
> these list achievements like, I kid you not, "Bruce
> Springstein, 5-sold out concerts 1999!" as well as circus
> clown faces (don't ask me why). The Devils have a few
> legitimate banners, but for the Nets you have to reach
> back to ABA days for anything better than "Division
> Runner Up, Preseason 1984!" or something like that.
>
> Buck Williams is the only retired number I saw among ex-
> NBA players (although didn't they retire Petrovic too?).
> The Nyets are so desperate that they retired Julius
> Erving's number too, even though I doubt he played one
> NBA game for them. Why don't the Red Sox retire Babe
> Ruth's number, for Pete's sake? The question answers
> itself.
>
> But in the end, that's the identical way that people
> laughed off the Foxboro Patriots last year. Of course,
> the Pats didn't get their butts swept out of the playoffs
> like the Nets either. But like it or not, the Patsies
> were basically as generic to the NFL as the Nets are to
> the NBA (that no longer being the case for our Patsies).
>
> I do think this Nets team is a powerful one, with
> bonafide 60-win talent. They are an outstanding defensive
> team and passing team. They play "wicked smart" too.
>
> I love the Celtics, but it seems clear it will take more
> than just pride or tradition to beat the Nets on a given
> night. "Celtics Pride" helps a lot, but sadly it isn't
> always sufficient. Not even in the Bird era, and
> certainly not now.
>
> Its sure to be a LOUD and exciting game. I can't wait for
> tipoff. Its only with the Nets that I actually shout
> insults at the TV screen.
>
> Joe H.
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