Re: Just move on to next game

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Several thoughts. I don't see anything in Baker that would entice me to have
him on my team. I think he is a disaster. He's a dinosaur in modern times.
Does he hurt the team? No, because we need all the help we can get even if
it's none because he takes up space, expensively at that.

Pierce may not have his head in the game because of  the evolution of Delk
and Shammond. The shots are getting spread out a little more now. He is off
stride with this.

Toine has to lay of the whining with the refs. So he's captain, refs don't
want to here him all nite. Just wasted energy and is not helping us get to
the line anymore.

DanF


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
Cc: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Just move on to next game


> I am interested to find out just how the Cavs defensed Dirk on Wednesday
> night in holding him to 4 points going into the 4th quarter.  He ended up
> with 17 points by virtue of shooting 12-12 from the line.  Bradley fouled
> out with 6 points.  Course the Cavs had Ilgauskas with a career offensive
> night to put the pressure on them.
>
> One thing I like about Vin is his willingness to take it to them
regardless.
> That mentality is not one of a depressed moronic scaredy-cat who is on the
> brink of the looney bin.  This will pay off later this season when the
refs
> pull their heads outta their butts.  I think he is progressing as
expected,
> with learning new systems and all.  It really does take time to understand
> schemes and be able to react accordingly but it is coming.  The 3 blocks
and
> the feistiness is a very positive sign.  I still am scratching my head
over
> the technicals.
>
> Paul has had 2 stinkeroos in a row.  Poor games for him but hopefully this
> will show him that he is not invincible and still has aspects of his game
to
> improve.  He did make a gorgeous pass to Delk for what should have been an
> easy layup which tony was unable to convert.  It's a noticeable addition
to
> Paul's game for those of us willing to take the time to observe.  Though
he
> did take a few shots which had me cringing, he also moved the ball very
well
> at times.  The way to beat the Mavs is ball movement I think because I do
> not feel that Dirk and Shawn are outstanding defenders, though they are
> long.  I'd still like to see Battie at the line in the high post with
> cutters.  When we have penetration stuffed, he can hit that shot 80% of
the
> time if we have proper positioning and spacing.
>
> Toine seemed to make more of an effort to take the ball inside against
> Dallas more than in any other game in recent memory.  And his success rate
> was excellent.  That is why I say put the Battie in the high post and let
> Walker work against the opposing PF low.  Toine is a good enough passer to
> be able to make the right pass if doubled.
>
> I am encouraged by the combined effort of Shammond and Delk.  38 points
> between them last night against a good team bodes well down the road too.
> My question though is why did we not try to pressure Nash more in the last
2
> minutes?  Seemed that we let him bring the ball up and try to pressure the
> receiver.  Nash is a clever ballhandler (of course, he's Canadian :-)) but
> shouldn't we go after whomever it is with the ball at that stage?
>
> Finally, anytime we go an entire game with Walker of Pierce shooting a
> single free throw, we are in for a long night.  Tommy is a homer
> undoubtedly, but he was right about a few of last night's non-calls by the
> zebras, especially once on Delk when he clearly got hit en route to the
> hoop.  We should be at the line a minimum of 20 attempts per game.  Last
> night, it was 12 times, with 6 of those from EWill.
>
> For those of you who attend the games, I will be in attendance for the New
> Year's Eve afternoon game vs the Griz.  Would love to meet up with anyone
> else who is going.  It's a 2pm start.
>
> Cecil
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Celtic4Hire@AOL.com>
> To: <Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:18 AM
> Subject: Just move on to next game
>
>
> > Well, we got whooped. The Mavs played an extended zone with two 7
footers,
> > Bradley and Noviski, in the low blocks. The Celts strategy to beat a
zone
> has
> > been either to shoot threes or penetrate through the low blocks.
However,
> > they weren't hitting their threes and the drivers, Pierce and Williams,
> kept
> > getting swallowed up by Bradley. On the defensive end, the Mavs kept
> hitting
> > killer shot after killer shot with even their week offensive links,
> Bradley
> > and Nahera able to hit on more than a few open jumpers. This really
> reminded
> > of the Net playoff series with just a few alterations.
> >
> > What else could we have done? Although Bradley blocked his openning
> attempt,
> > I would have liked to see them go to Vin in the low block and see if we
> could
> > pick up some fouls on Bradley and get him out of there. That could open
up
> > things for Walker and Pierce. It may not have made a difference the way
> the
> > Mavs were shooting but I would have hoped they would have tried that
> during a
> > playoff series. During the regular season, you can just move on to the
> next
> > game. If our threes aren't falling against other teams playing zones, I
> would
> > like to see Shammond penetrate and be able to pull up and hit the jumper
> at
> > the elbow instead of passing it back out. That is another way of beating
> an
> > extended zone, penetrate by the ended zone at the top and pull up at the
> free
> > throw line elbow for a shot before the low blocks reach you....
> >
> > Also, for the loser who said Vin had another bad game, Vin had about 5
> > blocks. What do you want? Vin is really picking it up on the defensive
> end.
> > Early in the games, he seems to have a hard time getting past the
bobbles.
> > But if you want points, you got to put him in a good position to score.
I
> > don't know why they didn't post him up in the left block, his best
> offensive
> > spot on the floor. Instead, they tried a couple of times on the right
> block
> > and then forgot about him....
> >
> > I don't know what it is with these refs but some of these guys like Mr.
> FBI
> > seem to pick on people that don't like. Vin, after getting shoved hard
in
> the
> > back while in the air, gets a T for approaching Finley and asking, "Hey,
> > what's up with that Mike?" Walker gets a T for just staring at the ref
> after
> > previously getting a delay of game where he said he didn't even touch
the
> > ball. Maybe Walker was trying to get under his skin by doing some little
> > things. But after watching what his Airness can get away with the refs,
> you
> > would think that they could use a more common standard....
> >
> > DJessen33
> >
> > DJessen33