Fwd: [Celtics' Stuff Vin Baker

[JB <jimmetz@xxxxxxx>]

> 	We should get the first extended look tomorrow night, with Battie 
> out. It will be interesting to see if extended minutes and hopefully a 
> few more touches, improve some of the weaknesses that Kim and Joe 
> mentioned. As in Baseball, where some good hitters, can't be pinch 
> hitters, perhaps Vin needs to get  a few minutes under his belt, to 
> get in a comfort zone, particularly with those "hands" aspects of the 
> game.
> 	JB
>
> 	Unchain My Heart !
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:32  PM, Kim Malo wrote:
>
>> At 09:42 PM 12/10/02 +0200, hironaka@nomade.fr wrote:
>>> To me, the definition of terrible is when you pray a guy
>>> doesn't shoot, or see a guy give up serious points on
>>> defense. Or a series of stupid, stupid fouls that none of
>>> us would have made. I don't think that's been the case.
>>
>> Yup, but Joe, one he does do that you forgot to list is turnovers, 
>> including bobbles that someone else may have picked up so they don't 
>> get included in the total. It's really really bad at both ends. He 
>> loses the ball far too easily and often. He loses it on rebounds, he 
>> loses it on passes. It's not "I can't catch" bad hands, it's more 
>> like weak/slow ones. Especially if anyone even slightly swats at the 
>> ball. Too often I'm caught between being furious that he doesn't move 
>> enough to get to the ball and praying that it doesn't get in his 
>> hands to be lost.
>>
>>> Did Vin Baker play poorly or leave the game because of
>>> foul trouble? Was he giving up position or getting scored
>>> and dunked on? No. He actually played his usual game,
>>> only to sit and watch when the game was on the line.
>>
>> He was giving up position in the sense of not moving enough to get 
>> the boards or to do much on defense. And see above about bobbling the 
>> ball practically every time he touches it. You can be a liability 
>> without getting dunked on. I think yes, he did get pulled with the 
>> easily arguable idea that McCarty's more active body would likely 
>> contribute more.
>>
>> Look, honestly I'm with you in not throwing the book at Vinnie, but I 
>> think he's got to do more himself to get out of his problems rather 
>> than looking for excuses. I'm with his teammates - I WANT to see him 
>> succeed and do see something still left there. But...
>>
>> Kim