Re: Rooks and LaFrentz (was: Is Kedrick Brown the 'real deal' or not?)

["I am. . . Anonymous" <ktoreed@yahoo.com>]

Oh great, yet another proposal to trade Antoine.

Strange how Antoine's main criticism from all the
haters on this list is that he jacks up too many
perimeter shots.  So let's trade him for La Frentz! 

It's highly debateable whether La Frentz is a better
rebounder.  La Frentz is a skinny, soft, too-tall,
awkward, outside bomber of a C/PF with nowhere near
the all-around game of Toine.  I don't think Chris
Wallace is dumb enough to trade away the team's most
valuable commodity (along with Pierce) for La Frentz!

I'd take a healthy Tony Battie over La Frentz any day.

--- Thomas Murphy <tfmiii@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Interesting number of points . . . I couldn't help
> but nod my head several
> times in agreement.
> 
> For example, I'm in agreement with the idea of
> 'converting' JJ to PG if
> anyone has to be converted. Not only does JJ seem to
> have the requisite
> ballhandling skills but he also seems to have the
> right attitude and
> priorities. I've read a couple of times that if
> anything he is too
> unselfish!
> 
> Your statements regarding Forte's shooting ability
> as his strength ring true
> also. I couldn't agree more about using him as a
> possible microwave who
> could (eventually) spell either backcourt position
> but will never be a true
> PG but rather instant offense.
> 
> Likewise, I couldn't agree more with your comment
> regarding Pierce at SF.
> That is where he excels, so why tinker with success?
> He's shown in the past
> that he has trouble with SGs so hopefully O'B values
> Pierce's contributions
> at SF more than he does Eric Williams and the
> experiment of assigning Pierce
> to smaller, quicker men will come to a mercifully
> quick end.
> 
> However I'd like to see more of Brown before he's
> traded, particularly since
> it sounds as if he has the athleticism to become a
> defensive stopper as well
> as a potential showstopper on offense (I hate the
> way it seems he's been
> limited to a three-point spot -up shooter the few
> minutes he does play). I
> could foresee a three man rotation of Brown SG, JJ
> PG and Forte as
> microwave/sub in two years (with Palacio for defense
> on special occasions
> such as Iverson - like Randy Brown was used in
> Chicago).
> 
> Perhaps the reason Chris Wallace looked so glum to
> Gene is that he hasn't
> seen much in terms of exposing the rookies (Brown in
> particular) to the NBA
> during the preseason. I would imagine it has to
> depress a GM who basically
> rolled staked his reputation on a roll of the dice
> to see the coach playing
> to "win today" by relying so heavily on vets who
> have already tapped out
> their potential - and this is just preseason!?! If
> the rookies are not
> properly developed it not only ruins Chris Wallace's
> rebuilding plans but
> also his career.
> 
> Your mention of LaFrentz was particularly
> intriguing. I looked up his stats
> and he was the 7th leading shot rejector last year
> (in roughly 30 minutes a
> game) and also a fairly good rebounder (7.8 per
> game, which might not sound
> so great but he's actually a better rebounder per
> minute than Antoine). He
> averaged nearly 13 ppg on a good shooting percentage
> (47.7%) but needs to
> work on his FT % (69.8%). He'd be a great addition
> at PF - I bet Vitaly and
> he would complement each other well. Battie could be
> perfect off the bench
> backing up both.
> 
> Keeping in mind what Mark and Alex have had to say
> about upgrading the power
> positions step by step rather than in one fell swoop
> and the need to take
> risks with potentially unpopular trades (Stackhouse
> for Ratliff for example)
> for the sake of team balance and structure, I
> tinkered around at RealGM and
> found that LaFrentz could be obtained through the
> following trade (NB: I
> didn't just match up salaries - after all Denver has
> to want to do the
> trade; also I didn't do variations with Pierce since
> in my estimation Pierce
> is our best player while both LaFrentz and Walker
> are PFs):
> 
> >>Denver trades:  Calbert Cheaney $2,400,000 to
> Boston
> Denver trades:  Raef LaFrentz $3,755,142 to Boston
> Denver trades:  Voshon Lenard $4,252,434 to Boston
> TOTAL:   $10,407,576
> 
> Boston trades:  Antoine Walker $11,250,000 to Denver
> TOTAL:   $11,250,000
> 
> TRADE ACCEPTED
> 
> Due to Denver and Boston being over the cap, the 15%
> trade rule is invoked.
> Denver and Boston had to be no more than 115% plus
> $100,000 of the salary
> given out for the trade to be accepted, which did
> happen here. This trade
> satisfies the provisions of the Collective
> Bargaining Agreement.
> 
> Boston would also receive a trade exception of
> $842,424 with this trade.
> This would have to be used within one calendar year
> from the date of this
> trade.<<
> 
> Of course Denver ends up with the 'best player' and
> so by that criterion
> they 'win' in this deal. With Scott Williams
> recently secured Denver is even
> in a position to do this trade. On the other hand,
> Walker and Stackhouse
> share quite a few traits so the trade might not be
> simply about who obtains
> the best fantasy player - that certainly wasn't the
> case with regard to the
> Philly-Detroit trade. The trade would certainly
> involve risk, but it would
> also address weaknesses in shotblocking, rebounding
> and post defense as well
> as provide a vet at SG for those game moments when
> one is needed. Not only
> would this trade go a long way to ironing out a big
> man rotation that blends
> shooting %, rebounds, blocks and muscle, it would
> also help with ball and
> shot distribution and indirectly increase the
> basketball IQ of the team on
> the floor. Who knows, it might even help us with the
> zebras!
> 
> With regard to Cheaney's and Lenard's contracts,
> both expire this year and
> while Cheaney would probably be destined for the IL
> Lenard could help break
> in the rookies gradually at SG (the one position
> they all play) simply by
> virtue of the fact that he'd represent the only
> veteran non-injured SG on
> the roster. Like Stith we could wish him well at the
> end of the year if the
> rooks develop as hoped or possibly ship him to a
> contender later in the
> season if the rooks are ready to take on the burden.
> But I suspect such a
> gut-check kind of trade is not in the cards with
> Chris Wallace just now - if
> ever. He'd probably have to overrule and possibly
> replace O'B to make it
> work.
> 
> cheers - Tom Murphy
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:26:07 EDT
> From: CeltsSteve@AOL.com
> Subject: Is Kedrick Brown the 'real deal' or not?
> 
> Inquiring minds not only want to know but have to
> know and soon.
> 
> Why? I don't keep close tabs on which first rounders
> are up for contract
> renewal or their current status.  I did read about
> J. Williams  re-signing
> in
> Memphis but was not aware the LaFrentz has not
> re-signed in Denver. Reading
> from the info below, sounds like there might be an
> opportunity here. Any
> legit chance to land this guy should be fully
> explored by the front office.
> 
> So a question that immediately comes to my mind is
> "How truly convinced is
> Team Wallace that K. Brown is the real deal ?" And
> to amplify on that one
> maybe add a few more:
> 
> - - "How convinced are the rest of the league's GMs
> that K. Brown is the
> real
> deal (or not) ?"
> - - "What trade value does he have? "
> 
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