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Re: Mock Drafts Comparison Of Celtics Picks - V. 1.0
Since there's no consensus about who will be the first
pick, second pick, third pick, fourth pick, fifth pick, etc.,
along with the perceived lack of an impact player,
the draft being regarded as deep (Leo Papile: 35 players
considered for the top 21 picks), and the view that there will
be very few players available who provide immediate
help, I see lots of trades, movement, teams drafting players
for other clubs, and teams trading away choices for veterans
who can provide instant assistance .
Ray
"j.hironaka" wrote:
> Interesting! I see BSKBall has the three projected Celtics picks as Joe
> Forte, Kenny Satterfield and Trenton Hassel. That's surprising. Also, Jim
> Johnson (who's he?) has Jason Collins as the tenth pick. Mama mia. Way sees
> the Celtics grabbing Forte at #11 and trading the other two picks. I don't
> know if that's what he wants, or that what he still predicts will happen.
>
> Another thing, Jamaal Tinsley and Shane Battier are all over the place on
> these mock drafts boards. In general I bet we'll see unprecedented movement
> up and down the boards in the coming weeks. There are so many unknown
> commodities this year.
>
> I think the influx of early entry and prep players (and the lack of
> participation in a draft combine like what the NFL uses) makes it
> increasingly facile to make confident pronouncements that a "bad draft
> equals drafting NCAA Juniors/Seniors, a good draft equals drafting
> youngsters". Actually I think the influx of Kobe/Garnett wannabe kids might
> make the NBA draft trend more and more in the direction of the amateur
> baseball or hockey drafts, in terms of greater "hit or miss" risk. I don't
> know when this will happen, but you can argue we are heading (apparently
> imperceptively) in that direction (geez, I thought Stromile Swift, Jonathan
> Bender, DerMarr Johnson etc. were much more "can't miss" than they''ve so
> far been).
>
> Once you get a full influx of untested teenagers in every draft, it seems
> to me things are bound to get a lot more murky than back when Kobe, Garnett
> or McGrady entered the league. In the case of baseball, most GMs have
> gotten over this "monkey-see, monkey do" approach. You won't find baseball
> people who would pass on a Clemens, Nomar or Varitek just because they
> attended college. It is not like basketball doesn't have its share of
> recent college graduates who have succeeded admirably in the pros, but this
> doesn't come up much.
>
> I don't know when the bubble will burst, or if the NBA draft will ever
> approach the "hit or miss" level of the baseball draft (wasn't Mike Piazza
> like a 40th round draft pick or something?).
>
> I think those who said "draft any high schooler or Euro teen and you''ve
> got a good draft" five years ago should be praised, because they look
> brilliant and original in retrospect. But those who also said "buy shares
> in Yahoo! and Cisco" back then, or "the Spice Girls will RULE forever",
> also would have looked pretty brilliant there for awhile.
>
> In some ways maybe we're approaching the very peak of the bubble, just as
> EVERYONE is preaching that drafting a teenager is as sure a thing as making
> millions off a dot.com IPO. To whit, this year we'll see not one but likely
> several prep players get drafted higher than anyone has ever been
> drafted...not Kobe, not Garnett, not Miles. If Felipe Lopez declared as a
> high school senior this year, he'd probably go top five! Do you remember
> the hype on that kid?
>
> Of course, one can counter-argue that the depth and talent of this year's
> prep class has been widely acknowledged since these guys were all high
> school sophomores. I think that was the first time I saw and posted an
> article (from TSN, I think) about that class. Thus this year could even
> further reinforce the mad rush to draft high school players in the future.
>
> A final point before my morning coffee break ends, it wouldn't surprise me
> if our Phoenix first-round pick proves to be the saving grace of the draft,
> on the off chance we totally blow it with our #10/11 picks. It wouldn't
> surprise me if Arenas, Cisse, Gerald Wallace etc. eventually become solid
> NBA starters on playoff teams. I find the apparent depth of this draft very
> reassuring.
>
> Joe
>
> BTW, I used to harp on this point a lot but now I've lost track. What was
> the eventual result of the Ron Mercer trade? It now looks like we got an 82
> game starter in Bryant Stith (a free agent), the Denver pick, the 21st
> pick, and another current free agent Chris Herren. I guess we also lost
> Cheaney/Popeye, and Gaston pocketed a couple million dollars from Mark
> Cuban. Someone please correct me if I''ve missed something.
>
> ----
>
> At 18:33 22/05/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >At Number 10, the choice will be:
> >
> >BSKBall: Joe Forte
> >CNNSI: Jamaal Tinsley
> >DraftSource: Jamaal Tinsley
> >TSN: Jamaal Tinsley
> >Jim Johnson: Jason Collins
> >ESPN Katz: Troy Murphy
> >DraftNet: Pau Gasol
> >Monter: Loren Woods
> >Wayray: Trade
> >
> >
> >
> >At Number 11, the choice will be:
> >
> >BSKBall: Kenny Satterfield
> >CNNSI: Michael Bradley
> >DraftSource: Loren Woods
> >TSN: Troy Murphy
> >Jim Johnson: Shane Battier
> >ESPN Katz: Loren Woods
> >NBADraftNet: Jamaal Tinsley
> >Monter: Michael Bradley
> >Wayray: Joe Forte
> >
> >
> >At Number 21, the choice will be:
> >
> >BSKBall: Trenton Hassel
> >CNNSI: Gilbert Arenas
> >DraftSource: Ousmane Cisse
> >TSN: Gerald Wallace
> >Jim Johnson: Gilbert Arenas
> >ESPN Katz: Jamaal Tinsley
> >DraftNet: Samuel Dalembert
> >Monter: NA
> >Wayray: Trade