MVP list

[OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>]

Here's my MVP list - admittedly I don't watch as many games as some fans,
but I watch all our games and a few TNT games.  I should also say that I
believe that the MVP as currently awarded is (justly) a player of the year
award.  Value to the team is a major part, but by no means the only part.
Jerry Stackhouse or Elton Brand is more important to Detroit or Chicago that
Shaq or Kobe in LA, but that doesn't make him a better MVP candidate.

1.	Iverson
2.	Webber
3.	Vince Carter
4.	Tim Duncan
5.	Kevin Garnett
6.	Antoine Walker
7.	Tracy McGrady
8.	Jason Kidd
9.	Shaquille O'Neal
10.	Anthony Mason

my categories are leadership, scoring, rebounding, passing, defense, and
intangibles.  (e.g. Antoine's competitiveness, Tim Duncan's game face, the
best in the league since Bird left.)

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Michael Griffin [SMTP:mgriffin@rillc.com]
	Sent:	Friday, February 16, 2001 12:07 PM
	To:	Dorine Pratt; celts
	Subject:	RE: Fouls

	As I glanced at the box score I could help but notice Vin Bakers
like 18 minutes and was 0 points and 3 rebounds.  This was the same Vin
Baker people (perhaps even me slightly (not totally in favor)) were wanting
in a trade for Antoine Walker before the strike season I think.  Thank
goodness Pitino at least recognized the difference in value between Baker
and Walker.  Baker was a stud about 3 years ago but man his work ethic
leaves little to be desired.  Just hope Walker realizes that he could indeed
leave a legacy if he keeps after it even if he doesn't win a title.  If he
plays the way he is playing and the Celtics make the playoffs I would think
the Walker should place in the top 10 for MVP.  This is my MVP list giving
it all of five seconds thought:
	 
	1.Iverson
	2.Webber
	3.Garnett
	4.Shaq?
	5.Bryant?
	6.Duncan
	7.Malone
	8.Wallace
	9. Carter
	10.  Walker?/Marbury?/McDyess?/Kidd?
	 
	Still a lot of basketball to be played but it would be ironic that a
top-10 finisher would not be selected for the all-star break.  The above
list I'm sure is missing some people that could be more deserving (Glenn
Robinson?) but if Walker boosts the ppg to 25, rebounds at 10, assist to 5
and shoots 45-50% the rest of the year (also 10 steals in 2 games? what is
that all about?), AND the Celtics make the playoffs, you'll have to give him
some credit.

		-----Original Message-----
		From: owner-celtics@igtc.com
[mailto:owner-celtics@igtc.com]On Behalf Of Dorine Pratt
		Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:43 AM
		To: celts
		Subject: Fouls
		
		
		Hi, all.
		    Great game last night - even if I did have to stay up
until 1:00 a.m. to watch it.  
		    I have some questions that have plagued me for awhile -
about all these foul calls against the Celts that are either non-fouls or
should have been called against the opposition.  Can it be the refs don't
want the Celts to become dominant again?  Is it backlash against Toine for
arguing calls?  Any ideas?  There simply has to be a reason - the refs can't
be that bad only when it comes to the Celts. I used to wish Tommy wouldn't
go on and on about fouls, but mostly now, he's right and guess I've paid
more attention.  Several fouls called in the Vancouver game against the
Celts were obviously the Grizzly's fouls - it just doesn't make sense.
Maybe the Celts should just let it go for awhile and not argue or say
anything - maybe it would stop?  Any ideas out there?  A bad call now and
then is normal, everybody makes mistakes, but this is just too much.
		    I shudder when I read that people want to trade V or
Stith - centers take a longer time to develop and who works at it harder
than V?  He had an outstanding game last night, IMO.  Stith does so many
things so well - and he's an excellent spokesman for the team, also.  I
agree there's a problem when Battie comes back, but V's work ethic is to be
rewarded.  
		    All that aside, for the first time in a long time I
stayed around to listen to the wrapups and for the coach's press conference.
I was never interested in hearing Rick's, that's for certain.
		Dorine