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RE: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #408
sportalk@hiwaay.net predicts 38 wins and a coin flip for playoff hopes.
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Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #408
The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 07 : Number 408
In this issue:
RE: Wink, wink! (long)
Lineup
Prediction
Antigen found JS/Kak@m.Worm virus
What about Brandon?
Re: Wink, wink!
predictions
Schedule Favor Celts
Re: Schedule Favor Celts
Re: Schedule Favor Celts
another preseason question
Re: Schedule Favor Celts
re: another preseason question
Re: Schedule Favor Celts
The time is indeed nigh (prediction)
Re: another preseason question
Orlando Game
A couple other comments
Orlando Game
--== 43 wins ==--
Re: Schedule Favor Celts
Prediction
Schedule Favoring Celtics
Re: predictions
Re: another preseason question
re: another preseason question
Not chopped liver.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:52:00 -0400
From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
Subject: RE: Wink, wink! (long)
I don't have the time to refute this very well-written, reasonable and
intelligent
post. But I think that the key is that you can't run a successful
basketball franchise
as a business, period. A "good businessman" isn't remotely qualified to own
a team
in the current situtation. You have to be willing to lose money.
Portland is a champtionship contender based on money alone.
The Lakers got shaq because they could afford to pay him. The four highest
payrolls
last year were the four semi-finalists. He won't grease trades with cash,
he won't go
over the cap and incur the luxury tax (a neccessity if we are to sign Pierce
in a couple
of years) and he lets payroll get in the way of basketball decisons. You
don't think
having Danny Fortson on the bench would help this team's rebounding? It
doesn't
matter if today's players are overpaid or lazy or any of the rest of that
crap. You need
to pay for talent in this league, and money talks, and bullshit walks. It's
really as simple
as that. Give me Bird and the Billionaire for two years, and we are a solid
playoff team.
Josh Ozersky
Marketing Communications Specialist
Corning Museum of Glass
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hill [SMTP:jahill@leasingservice.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 2:10 PM
> To: Celtics-Talk List
> Subject: Re: Wink, wink! (long)
>
> As always, Joe makes some good points and supports his opinions.
>
> I just don't see why Gaston gets dumped on so bad. He wasn't "given" the
> Celtics, he "earned" the right to run the team by being extremely
> successful
> in other areas of the family business. He took a money losing TV station
> that couldn't be sold at break even and in a couple years turned it around
> and made the investors/family something like a $20 Million profit.
>
> I would be hard pressed to not give that executive his choice of projects
> after that. He chose to turn around the Celtics. He has withstood the
> tanking of the season to get a shot at Duncan. I doubt he did that
> without
> the full support of Red etc... If he was successful, people would have
> erected a statue of him. It didn't work.
>
> He brought in what many, many people thought would be the best coach in
> basketball for the Celtics. Chosen by Bird no less. He gave Pitino free
> rein with the players, built Healthpoint, oversaw the new Fleet Center (to
> a
> degree). Watched as Pitino cleaned house. Gave Walker the max after being
> convinced by the basketball brain trust that he was worth it. Etc...
>
> Personally I feel the failure of the Celtics is more the failure of Red
> then
> Gaston. Isn't he supposed to be the basketball guru? Yet he picked M.
> Smith over T. Hardaway. Ouch! He wasn't aware that Lenny Bias was a coke
> user? What are scouts for? Who approved the ML contracts? That's what
> killed this team.
>
> Gaston needs to run the team as a business. He is not going to, and I
> don't
> think should, blow the family money on over paying players who put in so
> little effort as most NBA players today. If you had the "big three" and
> were one player away from a championship I believe Gaston would spend what
> it takes to win. But right now, no way. We're a lot farther then one or
> two players away.
>
> Stay within the revenues available, allow the increase of the value of the
> team to be your "profit" and hope the basketball brain trust picks the
> right
> players in the draft and that you end up with a Bird, Jorden, Magic,
> Garnett, Shaq, Kobe etc...
>
> Portland has and soon Dallas is going to prove that money alone doesn't
> assure a championship. The draft and taking advantage of someone elses
> misfortune, Lakers with Shaq, maybe Garnett will be the next, Mourning,
> Kidd
> etc... is how you win. Look at what the Lakers have done without a real
> PF
> or PG. Miami has a good base if Morning comes back, Orlando tried hard
> and
> ended up with two big time players, Indiana may be in the running in a
> couple years, Chicago is a center away from being in the running in a
> couple
> years.
>
> We have Pierce who would start for most teams. We could have had the #8
> Miller (Who is starting this year) two years ago, Mason this year (Who
> will
> most likely start this year), Walker and Battie. That could be a pretty
> good team in a couple years with a real center. Blame Gaston for giving
> the
> keys to the car to Pitino and Red if you want, but I'd rather have Wesley
> then Anderson today. That was Pitino etc's... move.
>
> How many superstars are in the league that the Celtics basketball people
> passed on? This kid Mason, picked 17 by Seattle, is going to start as a
> rookie at the 2 spot for a 50+ win team. Is Moiso going to be a better
> pick
> at 11 then Mason three years from now? I hope so. But who knows.
>
> Every time Pitino makes a statement that he is surprised that "so and so"
> is
> better then he thought, I get angry. Isn't he supposed to know how good
> these kids are before signing them?
>
> My long winded point is that Paul "Thanks, Dad" Gaston needs to hire
> better
> basketball people around him, but he certainly tried with the hiring of
> Pitino and keeping Red in the loop. He'll get to start over if this
> doesn't
> work out with Pitino. I doubt he makes the same mistake again. If ML/Red
> didn't hamstring the team and Pitino hadn't "blown" all the past drafts,
> except Pierce, and made some terrible trades, Gaston would be a friggen
> genius right now.
>
> As far as Gaston selling, If Bird hadn't sh*t all over him in the press he
> might have sold (all or some) to his group at a good profit instead of
> getting the maximum which it will cost Bird now. I think that shows the
> lack of business savvy that Bird has.
>
> It won't happen, but Jerry West is being pushed out of LA. If any of you
> were Gaston, who would you hire as the next President of basketball
> operations for the Celtics? And why?
>
> I'll be at the game tonight cheering for the/our/my team. As frustrated
> as
> I get, I love this team.
>
> <Jim
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:07:58 -0400
From: Alexander Wang <awang@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Lineup
It sounds like Moiso will be out there after all, which is great. Didn't
Pitino describe him as a "Paul Pierce type talent"? That's a more
optimistic assessment than Pitino's had about any other player other than
Pierce and Walker. He was always careful not to put high expectations on
Mercer and Billups. If we're going to be pressing, trapping and running
nonstop, he should be out there a fair amount. I was worried about all the
descriptions of his cluelessness though.
When all three point guards are healthy, I don't think we should see the
type of stagnation that frequently hit our offense last year. And we should
get mauled on defense less by big point guards with Randy Brown around, and
Chris Herren also being described as a surprisingly good defensive player
by Pitino. The center and power forward positions are still going to be a
defensive liability, though. But we may get more shotblocking from those
positions which should help the overall defense somewhat.
The crowded lineup is making me think that we may actually see all twelve
active players get significant minutes on most nights, similar to the way
Doc Rivers used his roster last year. Last year Kenny played more than
Pitino wanted him to; he'd be sitting on the bench getting a break and the
offense would struggle so much that he'd have to put him back in. Adrian
also played a ton of minutes in the early part of the season and I don't
see that happening this year. I think that Antoine and Paul still get 35
minutes but everyone else gets around 15-20. Managing the minutes as well
as the injured list will be tough this year.
The other thing is that I don't think we'll be sitting still at the trading
deadline this season. We've got a crowded roster, a few big expiring
(cap-clearing) contracts, and a surplus of draft picks. I think that for
Pitino, the future is now, and he'll make a move to improve the team this
season by giving up draft picks. I could see us being interested in Geiger,
even after his poor season. Lorenzen Wright makes sense since the Hawks
want to get under the cap. We could pursue Abdul Wahad and Keon Clark but
we'd still need a third team to get around the BYC issues.
All this Garnett talk has given me another idea. Even if you believe that
the Timberwolves need to acquire some draft picks to preserve their future,
wouldn't it make more sense for them to shop Terrell Brandon, who is 30,
rather than Kevin Garnett? By the time they are drafting again Brandon will
be retiring, whereas Garnett will most likely be even more dominant than he
is now. We could trade Kenny Anderson for Brandon straight up (according to
realgm.com) and throw in draft picks. Minnesota gets some draft picks to
help their recovery and a point guard to take over while Avery is getting
groomed to take over, while giving up a guy who won't be around by the time
the sanctions end. We get a top notch assist man who will help us right now.
Alex
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:21:31 -0400
From: "Raymond Angelo Belliotti" <belliott@fredonia.edu>
Subject: Prediction
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