Re: [Celtic_Pride] C's-Griz

["Simon Kean" <simon@jkean.freeserve.co.uk>]

Damn, always thought Westphal was a decent coach too. Had some great years
in Phoenix. Don't think he is the problem in Seattle. They were an average
team before he got there. Biggest problem is that Vin Baker can't decide
which he wants to put in his mouth first - the beer or the donuts.

Only slight I can remember on Westphal from his Phoenix days, was that he
was a little too leniant on Barkley in practises. Seems to be a great
players coach though. Tough luck

Simon

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: <Celtic_Pride@egroups.com>; "Boston Celtics" <celtics@igloo.igtc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] C's-Griz


> On another note, the Sonics just fired Paul Westphal, naming Nate McMillan
> as interim coach.
>
> Cecil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: <Celtic_Pride@egroups.com>; "Boston Celtics" <celtics@igloo.igtc.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Celtic_Pride] C's-Griz
>
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Some may call me overly optimistic.  I see many of the same negatives as
> > many of these lists but I don't choose to focus on them since there are
so
> > many who take great delight in that as it is.
> >
> > That is why I focused on that 3 minute stretch where they cut a 12 point
> > lead to 2 against a team that, though they had lost 7 straight, has some
> > talented players in Bibby and Shareef.  That stretch of play is reason,
in
> > itself, to be cause for optimism, if I were the coach.  They did it with
> > defense.  Playing a guy 42 minutes who was home playing with the kids
and
> > dog last week.
> >
> > You don't see the assists from Toine as a positive, focusing on the
times
> he
> > may force his shots, which I agree are foolish.  But there are good
signs
> in
> > his game this year.  Obviously, his 3 point shooting has improved,
whether
> > we like it or not.  His rebounding, though not spectacular, has been
very
> > good lately.  He is among the best passing forwards in the game when he
> > exercises that option.  I think he is willing to do this and hopefully
> we'll
> > see it as the season continues.
> >
> > Paul needs to be more consistent in all aspects of his game in my
opinion.
> > There are times when he is brilliant and I can see why we may want to
> > isolate him against whomever is guarding him, but he also needs to learn
> to
> > pass out of the doubleteam, as does Toine, more often.  Battie had 2
dunks
> > yesterday off feeds from Toine and Pierce.  His defense will improve.
He
> > did have 5 steals yesterday, so it's not like he sucks completely but I
> can
> > see where the hustle needs improvement on missed shots.
> >
> > I still believe that this team will suffer most due to a frustrating
> > inability to cash in at the free throw line.  Shooting %69 ain't gonna
cut
> > it.
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> > To: <Celtic_Pride@egroups.com>; "Boston Celtics"
<celtics@igloo.igtc.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:53 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Celtic_Pride] C's-Griz
> >
> >
> > > Cecil, I love your optimism. Not many of us could find a positive in a
> > > double-digit home loss to the Grizzlies, who had lost seven in a row.
> > >
> > > Personally, I can't believe how discouraged I am with this team and
its
> > > direction. This is the first time I remember feeling like we're
playing
> > out
> > > the string a month into the season. Pitino is leaving, and he seems
> > > determined to avoid any drastic roster overhaul so the next guy can
make
> > his
> > > own decisions. The result is a lost season, and a lost opportunity to
> make
> > > any midseason deals that might help for the future.
> > >
> > > Pierce and Walker are in it for themselves at this point. Even during
> his
> > > 41-point game Friday, I was screaming at Pierce to pass the damn ball.
> > > Pitino talks all the time about reversing the ball, and yet Pierce
looks
> > for
> > > his shot against two or three defenders all the time. Friday, he made
a
> > lot
> > > of tough shots. He doesn't usually--no one makes a high percentage
> against
> > > double or triple teams. With Pierce and Walker, it's just a question
of
> > who
> > > touches it first... that's who will shoot it. It's awful basketball.
> Just
> > > awful.
> > >
> > > As a contrast Sunday, I flipped back and forth between the Grizz game
> and
> > > Bird's 60-pointer against the Hawks in 85. He scored 60, but not until
> he
> > > reached the 50-point mark did it look like he was forcing shots (and
> then
> > he
> > > did it with the help of the team). Atlanta wanted to double him, but
he
> > put
> > > up the shot so quickly, the double didn't have time to get there. None
> of
> > > this facing-up, dribble-dribble-dribble, spin, double pump and shoot
> stuff
> > > for Bird. I know it's unfair to compare anyone to Larry, but is it
that
> > > tough to realize that if you really want to score when you're being
> double
> > > teamed, shoot the ball before the extra defender gets there? Do you
have
> > to
> > > be a basketball genius to figure that out?
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm one discouraged Celtics fan.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cecil Wright [mailto:cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:20 PM
> > > To: Boston Celtics; Celt's
> > > Subject: [Celtic_Pride] C's-Griz
> > >
> > >
> > > Had an opportunity to see the game yesterday and though I am unhappy
> that
> > we
> > > lost, I liked something that I saw.
> > >
> > > With the score 86-74 for the Griz with 6:40 remaining, we went into
the
> > > headless chicken defense as some call it.  It led to:
> > >
> > > 2 free throws,  Overton: 86-76
> > > Bad pass turnover = layup Pierce: 86-78
> > > Loose ball foul, Othella = 2 free throws, Williams: 86-80
> > > Steal, Williams = Dunk, Battie, nice assist Toine: 86-82
> > > Steal, Pierce = layup, Pierce: 86-84 with 4:27 remaining
> > >
> > > Then came the quickest 3 second call in history on Pierce who was
trying
> > to
> > > post up Edwards in the key.  I have watched it over 10 times and
cannot
> > > believe the refs, not only didn't whistle Edwards for holding Pierce,
> but
> > > called such a quick violation after witnessing other players
throughout
> > the
> > > league pitching a tent in the lane on a regular basis.
> > >
> > > The Griz didn't score until Grant Long hit a jumper from the top of
the
> > > circle with 3:20 remaining.  So not only did we hold them off the
> > scoreboard
> > > for exactly 3:20, but we ran off 10 consecutive points in a defense
> > > Vancouver had to have expected.
> > >
> > > Yes we went on to lose the game but that particular defense met with
> some
> > > success and it should be noted.  Shareef had a great game and Bibby
must
> > > love playing in Boston, but Long saved their bacon thanks to his
> new-found
> > > success with the jumper.  Then we ran outta gas at the end.  Overton
> made
> > > some costly turnovers but I would wager this was his first time having
> to
> > > play 42 minutes.
> > >
> > > Is Randy returning for the Cleveland game?
> > >
> > > Cecil
> > >
> > >
> > >
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