Re: THIS IS WHAT OUR YOUNG TEAM NEEDS!!!

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

Jesus H. Christ.  Now I can't even say HAH!  It's an expression of laughter.
Ask some of the veterans on this list who were around to see Red coach and I
guarantee they will laugh when it comes to Red and a calm exterior.  I have
not made any statement to denigrate you.  Freedom of speech goes 2 ways my
brother.  Stop looking for an argument.  If you are going to post to the
list, please don't take offense when I disagree with you.

I'm saying that the veteran leadership is what gets teams to the playoffs in
most cases.  Not the youngsters you're pointing out.  And in many cases,
those younger players receive the tutelage of the assistant coaches.  Notice
how quick Larry is to praise Carlisle and Harter?  There is so much more to
it than what meets the eye.

Cecil


----- Original Message -----
From: Jaims <jaims@impactnet.com>
To: Cecil Wright <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; Celtics <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: THIS IS WHAT OUR YOUNG TEAM NEEDS!!!


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cecil Wright <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> To: Jaims <jaims@impactnet.com>; Celtics <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: THIS IS WHAT OUR YOUNG TEAM NEEDS!!!
>
>
> > Then can you explain why Lenny Wilkens is out of a job?  Is there anyone
> out
> > there who has a quieter, calmer, more professional style?  And also why
> > Pitino has won at every level except with the Celts?  You can fault the
> > coach all you like but it is the players who determine the fate of the
> coach
> > in most cases.  Was Red one of those calm, but strict professionals?
HAH!
> > My point about the veteran presence is that there may not be the
> appearance
> > of being freaked out, as you say, with a team that has so much
experience
> > and knowledge of team offense, defense, as well as knowing the habits of
> the
> > opposition.
>
> Larry Bird doesn't chew anybody in his team in front of the public when he
> makes a mistake/s.  He chews them out and tells them what should have done
> out there at the dugout!  He doesn't tolerate being late in meetings and
> especially during plane take offs (Miller was left out one time because he
> was late boarding their plane for some reason).  As oppose to Lenny
Wilkens
> who is a calm coach..but too calm at that. It took Lenny a while to think
> that JR Rider is a cancer...and it took the VP or Personell boss to kick
JR
> out of the team because Wilkens couldn't give it to JR coz he's too nice.
> Bird is different, fyi.  Of course, players play how they want to play but
> it takes a GOOD coach to focus them on what needs to be done...to win.
Not
> to pad stats, not to look good on TV, but to teach them in their own
> instincts to win a basketball game the right way.  I myself, and maybe
some
> others think a Larry Bird is a perfect fit for the Celtics because of his
> input to such young players like Jalen, Travis Best, and Croshere.  Just
> look at their improvements now because they are the future of the Pacers
and
> it shows coz they are the ones carrying the team to victories nowadays.
> Wouldn't you like it if those teachings and techniques are applied to our
> main men Walker, Pierce and V and simply the whole team.
>
> Hey, don't get me wrong here.  Pitino is a great coach.  He won a lot of
> games in college and as a Knick coach.  But that was ages ago...the NBA is
> so much different now and he seems to approach it in his same old
ways...or
> the college ways that is.
>
>
> > Look at both LA and Indy.  How many players in the first 3 years are
> getting
> > any floor time?  Larry was luckily able to be patient with Croshere
until
> he
> > learned the pro game well enough that now he is contributing.  Do you
> > remember him playing at all his rookie year?  Our team can't say that.
> You
> > believe it is because of the coach.  I believe it is due to the lack of
> > maturity that most young teams go through before they make it to the
> > promised land.  Look at the Blazers and the Knicks.  Again there's that
> > veteran look where few inexperienced players are depended upon for
making
> > key contributions.  Many people forget that we lost some tough games
this
> > past season on buzzerbeaters and other heartbreaking plays.  Though the
> > record may not be an indication, we played with some of the best teams
in
> > the league right down to the wire but came up flat against the weaker
> ones.
> > People complain about Toine and his conditioning, Kenny and his lack of
> > assists, Dana because of his stature, VP because of his stonehands,
Battie
> > for his frustrating inconsistency, Fortson for his propensity to foul,
> > Pervis for being, well, Pervis.  You gotta be patient.
>
> Hello???  Croshere was injured after playing his first three minutes of
his
> NBA career and  most of the time in his rookie year and took some time to
> recover and adjust, fyi.
>
>
> > My final comment is regarding this tuned out stuff.  Where do you get
this
> > information?  What makes you think that players tune out Pitino any more
> > than any other coach?  Or is it based on an assumption?  I just don't
buy
> > that theory.  But if it is true, each player who tunes the coach out,
> should
> > be sent packing IMHO.  Pitino puts in as many hours, if not more, than
> most
> > coaches around the league.  He and his assistants deserve to be listened
> to
> > when making a point, as do any coaches for that matter.
>
> You don't have to buy everything or anything you read...of course, it's
your
> right not to.  But it's also my right to "assume", if you want to put it
> that way.  Well, hello???? again.  We are in the NBA, and with money
> controlling everything, I doubt if it's goin to happen your way if once a
> player/s tunes out a coach then the player is the one sent packing...well,
> it's the other way around.  Wake up, man, if the coach couldn't control
his
> players then he gets the boot, definitely.  It's always at the coaches'
> expense in the pro league.  Sad but true.  For example, if you are the
owner
> of a pro bball team and my best player (a Duncan or a Shaq) gets stale
with
> the coach, would you rather trade a dominant force and keep the coach?
> maybe if it's Phil Jackson, but most definitely you'd sack the coach,
right?
> You only kick out a player because he's undisciplined and immature if it's
> amatuer and college ball...but it doesn't happen in the NBA.
>
> Btw, what's with the HAH! thing?  I don't know about you dissing me
> everytime I make a comment in this list but I don't have anything against
> you, man.  I have almost the same inputs as others who aren't fans of
Pitino
> but you always choose to burn me whenever I post.  What's with that???
> Well, if you're still angry about anything from the past, please let's
> forget about it!
>
> Let's keep the cool and peace in here.  We all get a right to react or
vent
> out frustrations regarding our team but not on anybody posting in the
list,
> my friend.
>
> > Cecil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jaims <jaims@impactnet.com>
> > To: Cecil Wright <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; Celtics <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 2:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: THIS IS WHAT OUR YOUNG TEAM NEEDS!!!
> >
> >
> > > It's not a matter of coaching stiffs or veterans...that's not my
point.
> > My
> > > point is that a coach like Bird, a calm but strict and professional
> style
> > > always gets more respect and gets more success in terms of motivating
> his
> > > charges.  Well, on the other hand, a loud and screamin like freak
coach
> > gets
> > > tuned out because the player-coach/teacher thing gets stale because of
> the
> > > constant yelling which in effect degrades the players abilities and
> > > instincts to run the team inside the court.
> > >
> > > I don't know, man.  Calipari and Carlisimo could have learned  now
that
> > > their style, which is college style(scream at your troops to guide
them)
> > is
> > > not for the NBA.  Pitino should also know better.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the input anyways.
> > >
> > > Later dude.
> > >
> > > Jaims
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Cecil Wright <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> > > To: Jaims <jaims@impactnet.com>; Celtics <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 5:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: THIS IS WHAT OUR YOUNG TEAM NEEDS!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm sure I'll take heat from the usual circles, but don't you think
> that
> > > the
> > > > presence of veterans like Jackson, Miller, Davis, Smits, Best,
> Mullins,
> > > > Perkins and McKey warrant a share of the credit too?  I mean I love
> > Larry
> > > > and all, but it's not like he's coaching a bunch of stiffs who need
> the
> > > > constant reminders of a young, immature squad like the Celts.  I
> haven't
> > > > checked, but I'm sure those players alone have far more pro years
than
> > the
> > > > entire Celtic team plus.
> > > >
> > > > If the C's were down 2-0 in any playoff series, I wonder how
> > understanding
> > > > we'd all be?  Especially with the opposition without a key weapon.
I
> > > think
> > > > it is obvious that Shaq is going to get away with murder in LA
though,
> > > even
> > > > though they called the cheap flagrant on him.  I saw him go over the
> > back
> > > > twice right in front of the ref tonight.  Added to what he got away
> with
> > > in
> > > > game one, and I say good luck Larry and co.
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully, things'll change in Indy.
> > > >
> > > > Cecil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Jaims <jaims@impactnet.com>
> > > > To: Celtics <celtics@igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 10:05 PM
> > > > Subject: THIS IS WHAT OUR YOUNG TEAM NEEDS!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bird is a very effective, very unobtrusive leader.
> > > > > The player who used to be involved in every play has become a
coach
> > who
> > > > > is hardly involved in any of them. Player Bird was a maximalist;
> Coach
> > > > > Bird is a minimalist. His predecessor as Pacers coach, Larry
Brown,
> > > > > hectored and nit-picked in practices and games. Bird is quiet, has
> > short
> > > > > meetings, and never chews out his players publicly. He doesn't
> > criticize
> > > > > them when they make turnovers or commit fouls, and he doesn't tell
> > them
> > > > > how to play. He treats them as professionals, just as he liked his
> > > > > coaches to treat him.
> > > > >
> > > > > These characteristics are opposite Pitino's!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If only we could really kick Gaston and Pitino out....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jaims
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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