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The Case Against C-Webb
Look, dude, you don't need to put me down. I'm just saying that
Weber isn't the guy you build a team around. He's got some nice
all around skills, and now that he has finally put it together, he is a very
tough customer on the block (as is Antoine) and a stupendous rebounder and
above-average defender as well. (hence his superiority to Antoine at this
stage of their careers -- remember, Weber, has four or five years on Twon.)
But even in Sacramento, Weber's success has a lot to do with playing
alongside a top ten center, an amazing point guard, a singular 3 man in
Corliss Williamson, etc. etc. On top of which he remains a flake and a
pothead. The other players I mentioned, whatever stage of their career they
happen to be at, are players whom an entire team dynamic revolves around:
Karl Malone's post play (truly unstoppable, unlike C-Webb), Dikembe
Mutumbo's shotblocking and rebounding, which changes the entire complexion
of his team's defense; Zo's offense and defense; Payton and Kidd's ability
to dominate an entire defense with scoring and passing. These guys are true
difference makers, and I just don't see Weber being that. I don't think
most NBA players or coaches do, either. Webb isn't the kind of player who
can carry a team on his shoulders; and that has as much to do with
personality as it does with talent. He's not a truly dominant scorer, like
Kobe; nor a leader like Kevin Garnett. Nor for that matter does he even
have the competitive fire of our own Antoine Walker, although he's certainly
as competitive as the next guy. I like him as a player; I think he's an
all-star; I would trade Antoine for him straight-up if I could, if only for
the short term benefits. But I don't put him in the top echelon of NBA
players. Period.
Josh Ozersky
Marketing Communications Specialist
Corning Museum of Glass
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Griffin [SMTP:mgriffin@rillc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:03 PM
> To: OzerskyJA; Celtics@igtc.com
> Subject: RE: Today's Thoughts.
>
> Perhaps my knowledge is inferior to this board but I don't agree with that
> assessment at all. If you, as a GM, would actually prefer Mutumbo?!,
> Malone?!(clearly downside of career), Payton, Kidd, or Zo over Webber -
> then
> there isn't any need to have much of a discussion. I'll give you Duncan
> and
> Shaq. Kobe is rising, I'd put Webber right there with KG and over Hill.
>
> Walker and Webber are NOT close talent-wise. Webber is a warrior down low
> and unstoppable in the post. Pierce "may" also be rising but he plays a
> position that is replaceable. Just because Pitino gave Walker the max
> doesn't mean he is on-par talent wise with other players receiving the
> max.
> Walker may yet fulfill his potential but Webber has led Sacramento to the
> playoffs two years in a row when he is basically the only option there.
> Webber is doing for Sacramento what Walker should have done for two years
> in
> a row for Boston.
>
> I guess I think Webber is indeed a franchise player and if he were a free
> agent he'd be more coveted than anyone in this year's group excluding
> Duncan.
>
> Let's take a poll here. Would you classify Webber as a Franchise player
> or
> not? I mean rumor or not, people have actually printed a sign and trade
> with Indiana - Walker for Croshere. Webber and Croshere are two words
> that
> would NEVER be in the same sentence.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OzerskyJA [mailto:OzerskyJA@cmog.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:11 AM
> > To: 'mgriffin@rillc.com'; Celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: RE: Today's Thoughts.
> >
> >
> > Funny how we both accused John of being high. But
> > I think you go too far. Any GM would be retarded not
> > to trade Webber for Walker and Pierce. Webber and
> > Walker is pretty much a wash, talentwise, with Chris
> > having maxed out his upside, and Walker only being
> > 50-50 on ever reaching his (if that). But for Walker
> > AND Pierce, I would want a franchise player. C-Webb
> > has never been and never will be that. Top three? I wouldn't
> > even put him in the top ten: Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, Hill,
> > Payton, Kidd, Zo, Malone, Mutumbo.
> >
> > Josh Ozersky
> > Marketing Communications Specialist
> > Corning Museum of Glass
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Griffin [SMTP:mgriffin@rillc.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:35 PM
> > > To: john polyak; Celtics@igtc.com
> > > Subject: RE: Today's Thoughts.
> > >
> > > Not to sound offensive, but are you on drugs? There is no way Webber
> is
> > > coming to Boston with Antoine and Pierce still on the roster. In
> fact,
> > > Sactown wouldn't trade Webber straight up for Walker and Pierce and
> > > neither
> > > would any sane GM. Webber might be top 3. With shaq out of the way,
> > > Webber
> > > might have been the MVP last year. Forston for Spree doesn't work
> under
> > > the
> > > cap rules. I think that has been posted before. Hey, no harm
> > in wishful
> > > thinking but your scenario is not possible.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-celtics@igtc.com
> > [mailto:owner-celtics@igtc.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > john polyak
> > > >
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:55 PM
> > > > To: Celtics@igtc.com
> > > > Subject: Today's Thoughts.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Derek Anderson is talking about San Antonio, what with all the
> > > > opportunity to join a very good team. If the price is right, he
> > > > will go to Denver, imo. He likes Denver, also. The price on the
> > > > table must be big, since Denver is shipping out 3 contracts.
> > > > And, Abdul-Wahad's contract is going to be nice. TAW and Herron
> > > > supposedly play good defense. I welcome these two with open
> > > > arms. Mercer doesn't play defense at the level of TAW. This is
> > > > a good deal. I think we can trade Fortson for Sprewell. Why?
> > > > Because Webber wants to play with Spree next season. He has said
> > > > so. Tell NY to take some cap crap with Danny for Spree. Next
> > > > season, maybe we'll have space to fit Antoine, Pierce, Webber,
> > > > Spree, and TAW under the cap. If Portland can figure out how to
> > > > fit that many superstars under the cap, so can we. The
> > > > manuevering is possible. Beantown, with Antoine, Pierce, Spree,
> > > > and TAW must be more attractive than other free agent
> > > > possibilities. I'm sure some stars don't worr!
> > > > y about sharing minutes; the stars in the City of Roses don't.
> > > >
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