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> From: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
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> To: Celtics-Digest@igtc.com
> Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #265
> Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 6:33 PM
>
>
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Friday, July 7 2000 Volume 07 : Number 265
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> RE: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
> the Magic
> Big O2 - seemed like having "show me the money" attitude
> Misc
> Re: Big O2 - seemed like having "show me the money" attitude
> Re: I Like BSG's Chicago Trade The Best
> Josh's 100K post
> RE: Josh's 100K post
> RE: Josh's 100K post
> ESPN poll
> Re: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
> Collusion in Big Jake
> RE: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
> Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #263
> RE: I Like BSG's Chicago Trade The Best
> The Fort & Free Agents
> Re: The Fort & Free Agents
> Re: The Fort & Free Agents
> Re: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
>
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>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Shailendra Mishra <shailendra_mishra@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
>
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> Paul, the right trade from Celtics perspective would be to send Kenny
Anderson to the Knicks for Charlie Ward. - Mishra
>
> damekmo@teleport.com wrote:
> >I don't envision Chris Childs as a savior, but at least he comes from a
> >winning program and expects to win evry time he laces up his shoes. We
> >could use a little of that attitude and experience around here.
> >
>
> Your right, he's not a saviour, but he does more positive things for a
team
> at the point than Danny does at the 4 or, don't get me started, 5. I
think
> Childs for Fortson is about as good as it realistically gets.
>
> Paul M.
>
>
>
>
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> <P> Paul, the right trade from Celtics perspective would be to send Kenny
Anderson to the Knicks for Charlie Ward. - Mishra <BR>
> <P> <B><I>damekmo@teleport.com</I></B> wrote: <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>I don't envision Chris Childs as a savior, but at
least he comes from a<BR>>winning program and expects to win evry time
he laces up his shoes. We<BR>>could use a little of that attitude and
experience around here.<BR>><BR><BR>Your right, he's not a saviour, but
he does more positive things for a team<BR>at the point than Danny does at
the 4 or, don't get me started, 5. I think<BR>Childs for Fortson is about
as good as it realistically gets.<BR><BR>Paul
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:39 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: the Magic
>
> The thing with the magic is that it's true,
> it's incredible to take a .500 team and add
> the two best forwards in the NBA, along with
> the best young swingman. But Orlando is going
> to have a whole new team next year, and it remains
> to be seen if they gel and function like last year's
> no-names did. Hill and Duncan will dominate in
> clear outs, but I don't think that Hill and Duncan
> have the same kind of defensive presence as Robinson
> and Duncan did. Nor do I think Orlando will be able to
> go very long with giving in and playing Tim Duncan as a
> center, which is what he is. (The interesting thing about
> the old celtics was that McHale and Parish were really
> playing each other's natural positions in a lot of ways.)
> Orlando w/ Duncan is pretty scary, though, and borderline
> unfair. But they're not a lock to win the east, once some
> good new teams emerge in a couple of years. Great teams
> on paper have a way of not living up sometimes.
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Estepp [SMTP:EsteppJM@appstate.edu]
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 11:01 AM
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: a ray of sunshine
> >
> > Ray wrote:
> > I know it's early in the ball game, but you gotta figure if the
> > Magic work they're magic and pick up Hill, McGrady,
> > and Duncan, it's tough noogies for everyone, except
> > the Lakers and Portland. I mean geez, it sort of takes the
> > starch out of next season. Not that the lottery bound Celtics
> > were going to have any say-so....
> >
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> > \\
> > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >
> > The only bright spot in the rise of the Magic is that the Lakers won't
run
> >
> > off a string of NBA championships!!
> >
> > J. Mark Estepp
> > Chair, Department of Technology
> > Appalachian State University
> > esteppjm@appstate.edu
> > http://www.acs.appstate.edu/dept/tech/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:52:47 GMT
> From: kevin.lok@lycosmail.com (kevin/singapore)
> Subject: Big O2 - seemed like having "show me the money" attitude
>
> http://www.tribnet.com/banner.plx?/sports/basketball/sonics/0706c62.html
> Oyedeji talks a good game
> Second-round pick says he is better than the lottery picks
> Bob Condotta ; The News Tribune
> It will be awhile before it's known whether Nigerian center Olumide
Oyedeji, the Sonics' second round pick in last month's draft, can play an
NBA game.
> But Wednesday, after his first appearance in a Sonics uniform at the
team's initial summer league practice, he made it clear he sure can talk an
NBA game.
> Oyedeji, who many predicted might be taken in the lottery, said
"politics'' were the only reason he wasn't a top 10 pick.
> "Within a year or two, all the teams that passed me by will definitely
have regrets,'' he said.
> Oyedeji said he played against high schooler Darius Miles, who went No. 3
to the Clippers, at the Nike Hoop Summit game in April and that Miles
"couldn't stop me. ... Go back and look at the tape.''
> "If this guy comes to my country, he couldn't make my national team. He
cannot make my Under-22 team.''
> Oyedeji had similar words to say about other top picks, such as Stromile
Swift, Chris Mihm, Jerome Moiso and DeShawn Stevenson, who he said he
played against while working out for NBA teams before the draft.
> "All those guys couldn't stop me,'' Oyedeji said. "It was really, really,
really tough on me and very, very disappointing when I find out the NBA is
a lot of politics.''
> The 19-year-old said he didn't even bother watching the second round of
the draft after he wasn't taken in the first round, which would have meant
a guaranteed three-year contract.
> "I know I lost a lot of money, a lot of pride,'' he said. "It's like a
salt wound in the heart I have to overcome.''
> When he found out Seattle had taken him with the 42nd pick overall,
Oyedeji said he initially cried and vowed not to bother with the NBA this
year.
> "I say, 'I don't want to go to no Seattle,' '' he said. "I'll just go
back to Europe and play.''
> But Oyedeji said he reconsidered after deciding that NBA teams might
think he doesn't want to work hard if he passed on the chance to play for
the Sonics.
> Oyedeji said he has no idea why he slipped so far and Sonics executives
have said only that they think other teams might have been scared by the
6-foot-10, 240-pounder's general lack of experience. Oyedeji began playing
basketball only five years ago.
> "You watch him and you realize he is very young,'' said Sonics general
manager Wally Walker. "But he's got NBA talent. He rebounds the ball well
and he has an NBA body so we will be patient with him. It's going to take
some time.''
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amy Beauregard <amyeb88@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Misc
>
> "I would much prefer a Walker for Jones swap and I
> would think Charlotte would want something comparable
> in return for Jones instead of just losing him." --
> I'd prefer that too, but we'd have to slip Shinn a
> Mickey (wouldn't THAT be ironic?) first. And hey,
> where would we play him (Lou Gorman, 1990)? We would
> then have to trade Pierce.
>
> Fortson to Miami? I've seen this posted more than
> once. I don't know. I'd hate to see him go in the
> division and bite us for years to come. Then again,
> he's not our property, so anything we could get for
> him would be a bonus.
>
> I told you guys about Mercer. He was offered I believe
> according to the Herald way back when in the
> neighborhood of $24-28 mil/4 years, so wouldn't be
> ironic (and great) if we got him back for the
> exception, though I doubt he'd play here, just on
> principle.
>
> I read somewhere about Pitino's respect for Celtic
> tradition. outside of Russ, I don't think he does. I
> think he respects HIS place in it or his continuing
> it, but not the tradition itself. They better not
> cancel the B'nai Brith dinner. I was hoping to go this
> year. Figures. Canning KC and DJ the way he did was
> tasteless to me. Not to mention banishing ML (more
> lottery) and taking away Red's title.
>
> Oh, Greg? I believe you meant could NOT care less
> about your posts. Could care less means he actually
> could care less. Could not care less means he could
> not care less about your thoughts. Just kidding! Still
> buds?
>
> Peace
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:40:14 +0200
> From: Joe Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> Subject: Re: Big O2 - seemed like having "show me the money" attitude
>
> kevin/singapore wrote:
>
> >
http://www.tribnet.com/banner.plx?/sports/basketball/sonics/0706c62.html
> > Oyedeji talks a good game
> > Second-round pick says he is better than the lottery picks
> > Bob Condotta ; The News Tribune
> >
>
> > Oyedeji had similar words to say about other top picks, such as
Stromile Swift, Chris Mihm, Jerome Moiso and DeShawn Stevenson, who he said
he played against while working out for NBA teams before the draft.
> > "All those guys couldn't stop me,'' Oyedeji said. "It was really,
really, really tough on me and very, very disappointing when I find out the
NBA is a lot of politics.''
>
> Paul Pierce had to shout out only nine names of the players who were
drafted ahead of him, as he honed his rookie shooting skills. Poor Olumide
has to remember all of 41 names. :-(
>
> If memory serves, the Celtics worked out Oyedeji twice along with
five other players. If Wallace wanted him badly enough, they probably could
have gotten him instead of Sesar with two second rounders. BTW, the name is
apparently pronounced "Sez-ARE"
> according to a Croatian friend. She is the new chief of cabinet of the
Croatian Ministry of Culture and actually lives in Zagreb, where Sesar
starred the past four years. Anyway, she laughingly "promised" yesterday to
tell Joe Sesar he needs to be in
> Boston pronto for the Shaw League.
>
> As for Oyedeji's press conference, it sounds more like badly bruised
pride to me rather than bluster to extract more money. Provided he can back
it up, you probably need that kind of pride to succeed. Plus he's only a
teenager. With the flashbulbs
> popping in his face, he's not going to sound as polished as an NBA
veteran. Darius Miles also came across as immature and full of bluster on
draft day. We'll see how OO does. He certainly fell down a long, long way.
>
> - --------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:00:06 -0400
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: I Like BSG's Chicago Trade The Best
>
> Mr. Pot Ozersky, spray painting the kettle black. As if you're
> schtick isn't annoying either, and at least I can post an article
> without taking up a 120 k's of space. Geez.
> Ray
>
> OzerskyJA wrote:
>
> > will you please SHUT UP! Your shtick is totally irritating, old
> > and unfunny. Nobody pays Ray to get up every morning and
> > post all the news to the group. What the hell have you ever done
> > except carry on like a failing late night talk show host? Get a
> > clue already, comic book man.
> >
> > Josh Ozersky
> > Marketing Communications Specialist
> > Corning Museum of Glass
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gregory Odegaard [SMTP:grodeg@kalama.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:11 AM
> > > To: Celtics; 'Way Of The Ray'
> > > Subject: RE: I Like BSG's Chicago Trade The Best
> > >
> > > Who cares whether you "quoted" a source or not WWR, you made the
statement
> > > that was already pasted by an earlier member, now live up to your
> > > cowardice claims and take a hike.
> > >
> > > Just like your post before last seasons opener with Toronto (I got
that
> > > one saved too) you make idiotic claims, then run back to your Mommy
when
> > > called on them.
> > >
> > > Typical WWR, he figured he had gotten away with another one..........
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:48:10 -0400
> From: GAllen@dhhs.state.nh.us
> Subject: Josh's 100K post
>
> In response to Greg Odegaard's criticism of Josh Ozersky's lengthy post
(of
> BSG's Walker trade speculations), I said that I doubted anyone else on
the
> list had any objections to it. A couple of people, however, did make the
> point that, while they had no objection to the information Josh was
> posting, they did think Josh could edit his postings more selectively to
> get rid of extraneous links, etc., that add nothing but take up bandwith.
> I can go along with that. I would like to say, however, that one can
make
> a point without resorting to the level of nastiness that seems to be the
> hallmark of almost every post submitted to this list by Mr. Odegaard.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:04:18 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: RE: Josh's 100K post
>
> How about this. I made a mistake. OK? I am so f----ing
> sorry. What do I have to do, make an act of contrition?
> this is getting weird.
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GAllen@dhhs.state.nh.us [SMTP:GAllen@dhhs.state.nh.us]
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:48 PM
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Josh's 100K post
> >
> > In response to Greg Odegaard's criticism of Josh Ozersky's lengthy post
> > (of
> > BSG's Walker trade speculations), I said that I doubted anyone else on
the
> > list had any objections to it. A couple of people, however, did make
the
> > point that, while they had no objection to the information Josh was
> > posting, they did think Josh could edit his postings more selectively
to
> > get rid of extraneous links, etc., that add nothing but take up
bandwith.
> > I can go along with that. I would like to say, however, that one can
make
> > a point without resorting to the level of nastiness that seems to be
the
> > hallmark of almost every post submitted to this list by Mr. Odegaard.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:27:38 -0400
> From: "Moses, Peter L." <Peter.Moses@vtmednet.org>
> Subject: RE: Josh's 100K post
>
> You are probably new to the list, and not as used to this drivel as many
of
> us are. Greg and his venomous posts are legendary. Most list members
simply
> ignore them, as they should. The self imposed list policing, high octane
> criticism, frequent rants and general bizarre and random attacks are
> symptomatic of something that should be kept between Greg and his
doctors.
> Trust me, he is not well. As with every individual on the list, we
probably
> should accept Greg for what he is, like it or not. It will be my turn to
> feel his petty wrath now, but I think this is worth saying in the public
> forum periodically, in order to soften the shock for newer readers who
are
> being exposed to Greg for the first time.
>
> Peter
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:20:38 -0400
> From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@usit.net>
> Subject: ESPN poll
>
> There is an ESPN poll about who should be the next coach at Chapel
> Hill, NC. I hope it is not Eddie Fogler as I want him to stay at
> SC. But, the leader in the poll is Rick Pitino. I wonder that the
> chances of that are. I can see where Rick would not go to Miami.
> But, to coach at Kentucky and then at Chapel Hill. Well, why not.
> Then on to UCLA!
>
> Go to the ESPN web site to vote.
>
> http://www.espn.go.com
>
> - --
> Bentz Kirby
> bocelts@usit.net
> http://www.public.usit.net/bocelts/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:16:05 -0700
> From: "Art Silva" <art3@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> After reading this, it sounds like Anthony Carter of the Miami Heat =
> could be available with the $2.25. I know we were probably hoping to =
> get someone better with it, but this guy, I believe, is just what we =
> need. After watching him play in the playoffs, he has the confidence =
> needed at the point guard spot and filled in for Hardaway very well.
> =20
> Any chance of trading a resigned Fortson to Miami for a resigned =
> Anthony Carter, and of course, something else?
> =20
> If we did a deal like that, would we still have our exceptions =
> available?
> =20
> Would Fortson get the playing time he wants there?
> They may want him so that they have an advantage when they play the =
> Knicks.
> =20
> Just a thought.
> What does everyone think?
> =20
> Well miami could use him but they probably need the services of Carter
=
> more. Seeing as how theyll probably have the enfeebled Tim Hardaway at =
> the point. The problem for Miami is that they don't have any money to =
> offer Carter. So really a sign and trade is probably not a sound =
> financial option for AC.
> Speaking of point guards did anyone see our old friend Damon Jones =
> dropped 51 in a Houston summer league game. Don't know if he is still =
> under contract with Dallas but I wouldn't mind seeing him here in the =
> role Overton filled last year. Better than Mark Jackson as far as I am =
> concerned. The Celts can't run if the point guard has to use a cane to =
> get on up the floor.=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After reading this, it sounds like =
> Anthony Carter=20
> of the Miami Heat could be available with the $2.25. I know we =
> were=20
> probably hoping to get someone better with it, but this guy, I =
> believe, is=20
> just what we need. After watching him play in the playoffs, he =
> has the=20
> confidence needed at the point guard spot and filled in for Hardaway =
> very=20
> well.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any chance of trading a resigned =
> Fortson to Miami=20
> for a resigned Anthony Carter, and of course, something =
> else?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If we did a deal like that, would we =
> still have=20
> our exceptions available?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would Fortson get the playing time he
=
> wants=20
> there?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They may want him so that they have =
> an advantage=20
> when they play the Knicks.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a thought.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What does everyone =
> think?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well miami could use him but they =
> probably need=20
> the services of Carter more. Seeing as how theyll probably have the =
> enfeebled=20
> Tim Hardaway at the point. The problem for Miami is that they don't =
> have any=20
> money to offer Carter. So really a sign and trade is probably not a =
> sound=20
> financial option for AC.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of point guards did anyone =
> see our old=20
> friend Damon Jones dropped 51 in a Houston summer league game. Don't =
> know if=20
> he is still under contract with Dallas but I wouldn't mind seeing him =
> here in=20
> the role Overton filled last year. Better than Mark Jackson as far as =
> I am=20
> concerned. The Celts can't run if the point guard has to use a =
> cane to=20
> get on up the floor. </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 06:50:10 +1000
> From: W <titans@ihug.com.au>
> Subject: Collusion in Big Jake
>
> Check out:
> http://www.azcentral.com/sports/columns/0706gomez.shtml
> Apparently it's common knowledge in Europe that the Suns
> colluded with AEK Athens to get Tsakalidis.
>
>
> Thanks to the Blazers e-mail list and Simon Cushing for mentioning this
> article
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:56:59 -0400
> From: OzerskyJA <OzerskyJA@cmog.org>
> Subject: RE: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
>
> I've often wondered about Damon Jones. Here we have been searching high
> and low for a big, athletic young point guard, and Damon Jones got the
boot
> with the usual "we thought Damon was fantastic!" disendorsement. I would
> love to see this guy in training camp. Another weird rumor, from
> allesandro's
> rivals site: 335 pound giant Papile Protege Garth Joseph has supposedly
> been invited back
> for another look.
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Art Silva [SMTP:art3@ix.netcom.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:16 PM
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > After reading this, it sounds like Anthony Carter of the Miami Heat
> > could be available with the $2.25. I know we were probably hoping to
get
> > someone better with it, but this guy, I believe, is just what we need.
> > After watching him play in the playoffs, he has the confidence needed
at
> > the point guard spot and filled in for Hardaway very well.
> >
> > Any chance of trading a resigned Fortson to Miami for a resigned
> > Anthony Carter, and of course, something else?
> >
> > If we did a deal like that, would we still have our exceptions
> > available?
> >
> > Would Fortson get the playing time he wants there?
> > They may want him so that they have an advantage when they play the
> > Knicks.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> > What does everyone think?
> >
> > Well miami could use him but they probably need the services of
> > Carter more. Seeing as how theyll probably have the enfeebled Tim
Hardaway
> > at the point. The problem for Miami is that they don't have any money
to
> > offer Carter. So really a sign and trade is probably not a sound
financial
> > option for AC.
> > Speaking of point guards did anyone see our old friend Damon Jones
> > dropped 51 in a Houston summer league game. Don't know if he is still
> > under contract with Dallas but I wouldn't mind seeing him here in the
role
> > Overton filled last year. Better than Mark Jackson as far as I am
> > concerned. The Celts can't run if the point guard has to use a cane to
get
> > on up the floor.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:29:23 -1000
> From: bird <bird@pixi.com>
> Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V7 #263
>
> >I probably should lay off Pitinocchio. He works really hard, he respects
> >Celtics tradition and he has been a very successful and innovative
coach.
> >It just isn't working out. I don't enjoy watching this style of play and
> >the total absence of skill and teamwork development by the players as
the
> >seasons progress.
>
> I don't think you should necessarily lay off Il Duce. There's
> certainly a lot of aspects to criticize, and if you've got a few that
> are different than mine, that's OK, too. Works hard? You bet.
> Respects C's tradition? Maybe -- wonder what he thought of selling
> off the old floor? Dissing the B'nai B'rith? Successful and
> innovative? Yeah, but if he's not successful with the Celtics then I
> couldn't care less. So he won a few games for the Knicks -- big
> deal. His college career is impressive, but the C's don't play in a
> college league.
>
> You're right about it not working out, though -- it surely hasn't so
> far. It's really all about winning, though. The defense looks
> disgustingly without purpose, and we can't seem to _not_ leave
> shooters open on the outside, who, as a result, will explode for
> career-highs against us. Meanwhile, Pitino is yelling at players to
> play "defense" or "rebound" a second or two after the action in
> question is performed, or the opportunity for it to be performed has
> long since past. But -- if things were going well and the team was
> winning, you'd hear a lot less complaining.
>
> Of course, it _could_ be that the losing is a result of Pitino alone,
> but I don't think it's that simple. Last year was the first year I
> got to see all of the games. There were rarely games where the Celts
> didn't show what they were capable of. The problem was they usually
> had some sort of breakdown to counteract that, and, thus, gave up big
> leads, or forgot to pass the ball, or left shooters open, or
> whatever, and so they lost. The potential (sorry) was there, though,
> which means that, although it's not definate that Boston will start
> wining regularly, it _does_ mean that it's possible. After the M.L.
> years, I'll take that, for a while. For one more year, to be
> precise. Turn it around in the next year, I'd say (if I were in
> charge), or take a hike. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way
> out. Vaya con dios, muchacho. Then I'd sell the franchise to Larry
> Bird and get out of his way. Oh, if only I could inherit the Celtics
> franchise, too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:21:09 -0700
> From: Gregory Odegaard <grodeg@kalama.com>
> Subject: RE: I Like BSG's Chicago Trade The Best
>
> "will you please SHUT UP! Your shtick is totally irritating, old
> and unfunny. Nobody pays Ray to get up every morning and
> post all the news to the group. What the hell have you ever done
> except carry on like a failing late night talk show host? Get a
> clue already, comic book man.
>
> Josh Ozersky
> Marketing Communications Specialist
> Corning Museum of Glass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>
> I am truly stunned to see old Josh here be so apologetic to my criticism
of WWR. Josh clearly knows a thing or 3 about being taken down a peg as
well. After WWR's post about your lack of ability to use a computer, do
you feel so quick now to defend him too?
>
> I have contributed a lot Josh to list if you ever read anything but your
own posts, probably just to determine which to laminate and hang on wall
(the self proclaimed best "writer" on the list), just the actual point of
discussion hasn't been worth half a damn for some time now sad to say. As
you may notice many many others don't speak up much either or have gone
away entirely. Sure I probably contribute as much to reader frustration as
the next guy, but I cannot live with myself for not calling a spade what it
is. Your drivel along with many added comments from I SWEAR I KNOW WHO
WILL BE DRAFTED BY THE C'S OR I WILL EAT MY HAT AND GO LIVE IN A CAVE, OR
THE RAPTORS WILL HAVE OUR LUNCH AND WE WON'T WIN ANY GAMES IN NOVEMBER, OR
WE SUCKED WITH OUR PICK AND WE MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN SHOW UP NEXT YEAR
(WWR is the worst type of fan there is; purely pessimistic and revels in
our problems. He can go suck eggs for all I care, and all the rest of you
without hope of potential succes!
> s. It is a truly sad sole to take such misery in others pain as Ray seems
to do) is just plain tiresome.
>
> GAllen sorry for the misunderstanding, but after a year of seeing Josh be
so incompetent when sending emails, that in many cases are just pure delete
fodder, without even attempting to mend his ways and in fact getting worse,
he has to be called on this type of stuff. I will do it in a more direct
manner from now on, unless I have no choice to otherwise.
>
> Peter, good to here from you too. I have really enjoyed your total of
zero input on all subjects Celtics over the last year. Keep up the great
input. You gotta love pure lurkers, at least we don't have to dismiss his
drivel as well.
>
> Being mean is what I do so well, and many truly appreciate the efforts.
It isn't getting weird people, it has been for years now, you just lost
track of what it feels like not to be. Enjoy the ride and the weekend,
> Greg
>
> Did you see that fly by, what was it; oh never mind, I must go off now
and give my cat a bath, though I do hate getting the hair on my tongue.
Contrition is very cathartic, though it is against my religion personally.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:30:53 -1000
> From: bird <bird@pixi.com>
> Subject: The Fort & Free Agents
>
> >From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: BSG reports Walker trade in works
> >
> > One thing I'm becoming more and more convinced of,
> >though, is that Paul M was the only one who had this right from the
> >beginning. Fortson is a tenacious rebounder, no doubt, but he is too
short
> >and slow to play good enough defense to help this team. Rebounding is
> >great, but at the expense of defense, on an already weak defensive team,
it
> >just doesn't help.
>
> Well, Fortson does have his disadvantages, that's for sure. He _is_
> only 6'7" or so; he is slow (especially on D); he is not a good
> defender, especially given the "new rules" (same as the "old rules"
> as The Who might say); he seems to need 20-25 minutes a game to get
> his thing going on the court; he is _not_ a center and shouldn't be
> used as one. Fortson's also got some good points: he's a great
> position rebounder, especially on the offensive glass, giving his
> team second-chance points; he's got good hands; he's got a good
> inside shooting touch. Oh, and he's got "potential" and/or "upside"
> which just means he could get better. Give him 30 mins/game in the
> next couple of years, and he'll probably average 12 and 12 over the
> course of a season. Your point about Fortson's effect on defense is
> well-made, though; except that defensive rebounding is a _kind_ of
> defense -- that is, at least you're not giving up second-chance
> points yourself. The fact is, we needed to get better at rebounding
> as well as defense before we got Fort -- now that we have him the
> focus has shifted (rightly so) to the defense. Subtract him, and we
> might need some rebounding help.
>
> (What I just don't understand is, why trade for him and then not use
> him? Sure, he fouled a lot, especially in the early season, but I
> thought that fouls were there to be given in Il Duce's system? Let
> him get 10 bounds and foul out. The "Walker Experiment" at playing
> the 3 went by so fast I never even saw it, and so Fort gets to play
> backup 4 and 5. If he's not right for the "system" why pick him up?
> To trade for Alvin Williams? (Alvin freaking Williams? Geez.) It
> seems to me that you can either privilege your system and gather
> those 6'10" a-the-letic (you gotta say that like Hubie Brown),
> rail-thin guys and go to war, or you assess your talent, try to
> acquire more talent, and tailor your system to them. (I like this
> one better.) But half of one and a quarter of the other just ain't
> gonna cut it, methinks.)
>
> On the Anthony Carter front -- I saw him play while he was at the
> University of Hawai`i as well as in the pros and he could be a help
> to the C's. We need a backup point (who might become the starting
> point?), and Carter _will_ push the ball up. Maybe a good point
> guard coach like the Ricktator will help Carter make good decisions.
> But if we get him with the $2.2m exception, that's pretty much it,
> isn't it? So long Croshere, Derek Anderson, or John Amaechi (all of
> whom would be good pickups, I think), or anyone else who'd sign for
> the $2.2m exception but not the $1.1m one. Does anyone really think
> we'll get any sort of player for the latter? Any CBA/college player
> (like the guys in the summer league) will sign for the minimum, and
> we've probably got enough of the type of talent that 1 million will
> get you in the NBA today.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:22:42 PDT
> From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: The Fort & Free Agents
>
> >From: bird <bird@pixi.com>
> >(What I just don't understand is, why trade for him and then not use
> >him? Sure, he fouled a lot, especially in the early season, but I
> >thought that fouls were there to be given in Il Duce's system? Let
> >him get 10 bounds and foul out. The "Walker Experiment" at playing
> >the 3 went by so fast I never even saw it, and so Fort gets to play
> >backup 4 and 5. If he's not right for the "system" why pick him up?
> >To trade for Alvin Williams? (Alvin freaking Williams? Geez.) It
> >seems to me that you can either privilege your system and gather
> >those 6'10" a-the-letic (you gotta say that like Hubie Brown),
> >rail-thin guys and go to war, or you assess your talent, try to
> >acquire more talent, and tailor your system to them. (I like this
> >one better.) But half of one and a quarter of the other just ain't
> >gonna cut it, methinks.)
>
> I'm afraid I can't really help you out here. If you're going to run a
> pressing team, why trade for Kenny Anderson, Vitaly Potapenko and Danny
> Fortson? It makes no sense. Now we are hearing that we need to get more
> athletic. That the reason the team lost so much was that they pressed
less
> than any Pitino team since he was "in diapers". Isn't that just
precious?
> Now, honestly, the first year of Pitino WAS the most enjoyable of his
> tenure. I can't believe, however, that we wasted two years of
development
> acquiring talent that was objectively better than what we had, but not
> suited to the intended game plan. But, there we are.
>
> Jim
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:30:11 -0700
> From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>
> Subject: Re: The Fort & Free Agents
>
> I thought Fortson had an injured foot which forced him to miss the first
2
> months of the season. And then it took some time to get into shape.
Can't
> use him if he isn't in uniform.
>
> Cecil
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Meninno <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: The Fort & Free Agents
>
>
> > >From: bird <bird@pixi.com>
> > >(What I just don't understand is, why trade for him and then not use
> > >him? Sure, he fouled a lot, especially in the early season, but I
> > >thought that fouls were there to be given in Il Duce's system? Let
> > >him get 10 bounds and foul out. The "Walker Experiment" at playing
> > >the 3 went by so fast I never even saw it, and so Fort gets to play
> > >backup 4 and 5. If he's not right for the "system" why pick him up?
> > >To trade for Alvin Williams? (Alvin freaking Williams? Geez.) It
> > >seems to me that you can either privilege your system and gather
> > >those 6'10" a-the-letic (you gotta say that like Hubie Brown),
> > >rail-thin guys and go to war, or you assess your talent, try to
> > >acquire more talent, and tailor your system to them. (I like this
> > >one better.) But half of one and a quarter of the other just ain't
> > >gonna cut it, methinks.)
> >
> > I'm afraid I can't really help you out here. If you're going to run a
> > pressing team, why trade for Kenny Anderson, Vitaly Potapenko and Danny
> > Fortson? It makes no sense. Now we are hearing that we need to get
more
> > athletic. That the reason the team lost so much was that they pressed
> less
> > than any Pitino team since he was "in diapers". Isn't that just
precious?
> > Now, honestly, the first year of Pitino WAS the most enjoyable of his
> > tenure. I can't believe, however, that we wasted two years of
development
> > acquiring talent that was objectively better than what we had, but not
> > suited to the intended game plan. But, there we are.
> >
> > Jim
> >
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> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:29:41 -0400
> From: "Josh Farber" <nbaj2k@home.com>
> Subject: Re: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
>
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> I'm still mad that we didn't keep Damon in the first place.
> I really thought he made our team go!
>
> Josh
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Art Silva=20
> To: celtics@igtc.com=20
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Anthony Carter? Go for it now!!!!
>
>
>
>
> After reading this, it sounds like Anthony Carter of the Miami Heat =
> could be available with the $2.25. I know we were probably hoping to =
> get someone better with it, but this guy, I believe, is just what we =
> need. After watching him play in the playoffs, he has the confidence =
> needed at the point guard spot and filled in for Hardaway very well.
>
> Any chance of trading a resigned Fortson to Miami for a resigned =
> Anthony Carter, and of course, something else?
>
> If we did a deal like that, would we still have our exceptions =
> available?
>
> Would Fortson get the playing time he wants there?
> They may want him so that they have an advantage when they play the =
> Knicks.
>
> Just a thought.
> What does everyone think?
>
> Well miami could use him but they probably need the services of =
> Carter more. Seeing as how theyll probably have the enfeebled Tim =
> Hardaway at the point. The problem for Miami is that they don't have any
=
> money to offer Carter. So really a sign and trade is probably not a =
> sound financial option for AC.
> Speaking of point guards did anyone see our old friend Damon Jones =
> dropped 51 in a Houston summer league game. Don't know if he is still =
> under contract with Dallas but I wouldn't mind seeing him here in the =
> role Overton filled last year. Better than Mark Jackson as far as I am =
> concerned. The Celts can't run if the point guard has to use a cane to =
> get on up the floor.=20
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still mad that we didn't keep Damon
=
> in the=20
> first place.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really thought he made our team =
> go!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Josh</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dart3@ix.netcom.com href=3D"mailto:art3@ix.netcom.com">Art =
> Silva</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dceltics@igtc.com
=
>
> href=3D"mailto:celtics@igtc.com">celtics@igtc.com</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 07, 2000 =
> 5:16 PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anthony Carter? Go
=
> for it=20
> now!!!!</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After reading this, it sounds like =
> Anthony=20
> Carter of the Miami Heat could be available with the $2.25. I =
> know we=20
> were probably hoping to get someone better with it, but this guy, I =
> believe,=20
> is just what we need. After watching him play in the playoffs,
=
> he has=20
> the confidence needed at the point guard spot and filled in for =
> Hardaway=20
> very well.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any chance of trading a resigned =
> Fortson to=20
> Miami for a resigned Anthony Carter, and of course, something=20
> else?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If we did a deal like that, would =
> we still have=20
> our exceptions available?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would Fortson get the playing time =
> he wants=20
> there?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They may want him so that they have
=
> an=20
> advantage when they play the Knicks.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a thought.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What does everyone =
> think?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well miami could use him but they =
> probably need=20
> the services of Carter more. Seeing as how theyll probably have
the=20
> enfeebled Tim Hardaway at the point. The problem for Miami is that =
> they=20
> don't have any money to offer Carter. So really a sign and trade is =
> probably=20
> not a sound financial option for AC.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of point guards did anyone
=
> see our old=20
> friend Damon Jones dropped 51 in a Houston summer league game. Don't
=
> know if=20
> he is still under contract with Dallas but I wouldn't mind seeing =
> him here=20
> in the role Overton filled last year. Better than Mark Jackson as =
> far as I=20
> am concerned. The Celts can't run if the point guard has to =
> use a cane=20
> to get on up the floor. =
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