Re: sick of losing to the WORST teams...

----- Original Message -----

Cecil, it's the second time we lose to the same Bulls team, FYI. So we have every right to voice out anything we want. Well, you also have every right to voice out yours and "protect" your beloved Pitino. It's your choice, man and we can't change that. But we are just sick of losing to lowly teams that we are definitely capable of beating to the ground and also we are so sick of being told to be crazy patient about the team and Pitino's ways of coaching!

Thank you Jaime, but I am fortunate enough to have WGN. I saw both losses to da Bulls. Kukoc played well, Brand played well and Maloney shot well. We didn't play well. I don't know where you get this Pitino protection thing. He is not perfect. But he is not the bum you seem to think he is either. He recognizes they are still a very immature team but they are trying to get there. What's wrong with that? You have to be willing to give this team time, as I said before, or you'll be sending many more negative posts. Maybe you enjoy that, I don't know, but I refuse to stoop to your level and throw shots. Doesn't serve any useful purpose. You know, like my beloved Pitino and him being my lover :-)

Cecil

----- Original Message -----

From: Cecil Wright

To: celtics@igtc.com

Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: sick of losing to the WORST teams...

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I happen to look at it in another light. No team I've ever had the pleasure to coach has ever jelled together as quickly as you want the Celtics to. Like it or not, it takes time. It is inescapable. How long did it take the Chicago Bulls to win their first title? Was it in Jackson's first few years as their coach? Was it in Jordan's first 5 years in the league? Whether it's getting old or not, it is the truth. Look out in Utah. They still haven't won and it took them some time before they became perennial playoff contenders.

In the NBA, it doesn't happen overnight. And now, we must suck it up without Griffin for a while. It is easy to give up and constantly bemoan them when they look bad (like last night) but, respectfully I ask, where were you when they played well against Sacto?

Last night, in addition to Grif going down, VP could barely hold on to any ball he got his hands on, Pierce had a dismal game from the floor. He also appears at times to suffer from Merceritis. Fortson, though many think he's 100% healthy, is still far from game shape which is why RP can only play him in short spurts. And Toine, is Toine. You know what you're getting with these guys. They are young and need to mature. It's a fact of life. I could technically dissect each member of this team from purely a coaching perspective but I know what Pitino is trying to do and it takes time.

You can keep this kind of posting pattern if you like, but when it comes together, we won't hear from you too much and it's not as far down the road as you seem to think.

Cecil

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Forant

To: celtics@igtc.com

Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 8:06 AM

Subject: Re: sick of losing to the WORST teams...

Patience, this is gettin old also. Patience won't improve this outfit. More like patients. Pink slip's will. In case many of you lost track of the term, because of the good economy, it means getting fired, dumped, wasted.

At 12:45 AM 1/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
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Regarding comments from those who mainly post only when we lose, see below. No post after a decent win, but a loss on the road on the back half of two straight, with the second on the road isn't mentioned. The return of Kukoc isn't mentioned and he is obviously a difficult matchup.

We beat a very good team last night, lose to a team who have now won 3 straight and are definitely improving, who have added a decent shooter in Maloney, and Pitino should be fired? I love hearing people say stuff like if the players are consistent, it's the fault of the coach. That is such a load of crap. The players miss foul shots and the coach should be held accountable. What about the player? Does he bear any responsibility? If it's all the fault of the coach, why has Toine taken so much heat from this list. When Toine sucks, it is up to him to get out of it, not the coach. It is up to the coach to point out the weaknesses to the player and give him/her points of emphasis to improve or correct the skill. But a coach cannot will a player into not making bad passes or turnovers, as they are part of the game and always will be.

Those who are looking for consistency, at this point, will be greatly disappointed. It takes time. Apparently more than some of you are willing to wait.

Cecil (who will still proudly cheer the green on in LA)

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:jaims@philonline.com>Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr.
To: <mailto:celtics@igtc.com>celtics@igtc.com
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 12:07 AM
Subject: sick of losing to the WORST teams...

What the heck is goin on???!!!
We beat a good team and then we lose to a very bad or worst team in the league!

this is embarrasing because it already happened twice against the same Chicago team and Pitino and the charges didn't learn anything from the first loss. Are the players intentionally making Pitino look bad? Maybe. Or is Pitino just not up to the task? Most probably. If we're so inconsistent, then it's the coaches task to motivate and condition every players minds in every game.

I'm sure Pitino has excuses of, "Oh, we didn't pass the ball around..."
"Oh, our players need consistency and maturity...", " Oh, we are blah blah blah..."
I can only say he talks a lot of bull.

I was hoping that my prediction of 32 wins and no entry to the playoffs would be wrong but it's already kinda goin towards that and it sickens me.

Patience is a virtue...but the teams' showing is simply sickening!!! WE DEFINITELY NEED TO CHANGE THE COACH!!!

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