Re: Trade offer for Bibby

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

I agree with John.  I'm not sure there is anyone in the draft who could
bring us what Bibby does and he is only 22 with a few years of pro
experience.  I don't think there's any question that he will have a
productive career.

Depending on what the Griz are seeking, I would include Kenny, Moiso and one
of the picks, for Bibby and Swift, who I think has the potential to be a
star.

Happy Holidays to everyone.

Cecil





----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lyell" <johnlyell@hotmail.com>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>; "Alexander Wang" <awang@MIT.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Trade offer for Bibby


> I think you have to favor a known commodity over a potential one. Next
years
> draft could turn out as bad as this one. We do not need another couple of
> young kids that it takes 5 years to develop and I don't expect our pick or
> Denvers to be top 5. reports have stated Curry and Chandler have a long
way
> to go and do we need a Zac Randolph or Eddie Griffin ?
>
>
> I would move picks for Bibby, or Anderson and a pick. He could really open
> up Walker and Pierce's games. And he has many productive years ahead of
him.
> Pierce , Walker and Bibby would be an awesome threesome.
>
>
> I would still consider
>
> VP & the Utah pick  for Nesterovich and Sczerbiak
>
> or
>
> VP, Carr & a pick for Cato, Thomas & Norris
>
> Cato would fit into the Celtics game very well providing a active shot
> blocker who runs the floor well. Moochie Norris has played well for them
and
> would be a good backup, and Kenny Thomas adds a bruiser down low.
>
> Cato ( Nesterovich) /Battie
> Walker
> Szcerbiak?
> Pierce
> Bibby
>
>
> If I could land Bibby and a few other veterans like Cato, Harrington,
> Sczerbiak, that shore up weak spots like the 1 & 5 spots, I would move the
> picks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Wang" <awang@MIT.EDU>
> To: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:24 AM
> Subject: Trade offer for Bibby
>
>
> > I was glad to read that the Celtics made a real play for Bibby, offering
> > two first-rounders and Eric Williams. The main question is, which two
> > first-rounders? The value of the two potential lottery picks (our own
and
> > Denver's) may become better over time for a few reasons. First, there's
> > reduced uncertainty: teams will know what draft position they're trading
> > into, and even which player they can select if it's on draft day.
Second,
> > teams will be more focused on the draft and presumably more excited
about
> > the players in it. On the other hand, the reduced uncertainty may
clarify
> > for them that they don't want to make the trade, and the approach of the
> > draft may reveal that it is overrated. So it can go both ways, but
> > generally there's probably a tendency for the value to increase.
> >
> > But there's also a value to accelerating the rebuilding schedule. That's
> > the reason why there's so much complaining on this list, because we want
a
> > team that improves and wins now. That's why it can be the right thing to
> > trade future talent, like draft picks, for present talent. Having a
> winning
> > team has side benefits too. Better free agents are more likely to sign
> with
> > a winning team. Your own free agents are more willing to re-sign. The
fan
> > base is more solid which means more revenue and hopefully a higher
payroll
> > limit from the owner.
> >
> > Now if we believe that what we get in the draft is going to help us
right
> > away in the way that Bibby would, and to a greater extent, it's not
worth
> > it to gain a half season. On the other hand, if we're going to be
drafting
> > projects that are going to require two years of NBA seasoning to play at
a
> > high level, then you have to think carefully. If these guys are going to
> be
> > overwhelming talents, especially at the center position, then you don't
> > make any trades. These are the types of guys you tank seasons for. But
> > we're not looking at a team that is built to tank; our pick and Denver's
> > pick are likely not going to be that high. What can we get at the 10th
> > spot? Well, the list of talent supposedly looks quite impressive. Are 10
> or
> > more teams going to get sure-thing impact players?
> >
> > What I like about Bibby is that he's basically a sure thing for the next
> 10
> > years, at a position where we need help. He's been very consistent for
> > about two full seasons and is only 22 years old. Maybe he's not a fiery
> > leader but we have Antoine and Paul already. I don't know whether he's
> > worth two lottery picks; it depends on where in the lottery they are,
and
> > how good the draft ends up being. I guess depends partially on if all
> these
> > high school centers declare. The way some of us value these picks, it's
> > surprising how little credit Pitino gets for acquiring one in the Mercer
> > trade.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
>