Re: armstrong over hardaway...

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.andara.com>]

I do not purport myself to be the statistical expert you obviously claim to
be.  Be that as it may, Jason Kidd's FG% has risen due to the fact that he
rarely shoots the long range jumper anymore.  That was one of the elements
of the player/coach difference as you so eloquently put it.  Tim Hardaway's
game has evolved into that of a point guard which was not always the case.
Also your stats in his regard are very misleading.  An assist can be given
to a player who passes to a teammate who buries the jumper from downtown
such as Mullin or Sprewell.  Perhaps even more pertinent to this discussion
is why Hardaway said that if Sprewell came to Miami, he was gone.
Supposedly cuz he didn't get along with him since Spree supposedly thinks of
himself first.  Which one has championship round experience?  None?

I notice below you said it's nice to see them improve in the later stages,
but who cares.  There are no players who should be selfish.  I can remember
Lloyd Free and Andrew Toney making the occasional pass and there aren't a
whole lotta players on NBA rosters who can shoot like those two.

Charlie Scott is a classic example of a player who had a scorer's mentality
but became more of a team player when he got to Boston.

Cecil

----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Salud Castillo, Jr. <jaims@philonline.com>
To: Cecil Wright <cecil@hfx.andara.com>; <celtics@igtc.com>; Alex Wang
<awang@mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: armstrong over hardaway...


> Cecil mentioned Houston as one example but there
> >> >are numerous other examples of selfish players who matured into team
> >> players
> >> >later in their careers.
> >>
> >> Like who???
> >
> >Sean Elliott, Tim Hardaway, Jerome Kersey, Danny Ainge, Charlie Scott,
> Jason
> >Kidd (Why do you think he was traded outta Dallas?), to name but a few.
>
>
> Kidd??? selfish????!!!! how can you equate a pass first mentality (at
least
> over 8 assists per game) to being selfish.  man, if this guys selfish, how
> much more if he's unselfish huh. 20 assists per game???
> he was taken out of dallas due to player-coach differences and not due to
> his selfishness, friend.
> Tim Hardaway is also one of those shoot first mentality but if you look at
> his stats in GS he was somewhat averaging 20+ ppg and at least 7 or 8
> dishoffs per game.  Again, ain't selfish to me!!!  And as long as they got
> to win and make it to the playoffs along with Mullin, and
Ritchmond...Maybe
> the 3 of them are selfish...hahahaha
> Sean Elliott and Ainge should be selfish coz they're only complement
players
> and not the no.1 option player.  so who cares if they shoot 30 pct. fg
thru
> the years.  It's nice to see if they got to improve in the latter stages
but
> again...who cares!
> unlike walker, who's suppose to be our no. 1 option, you'd be insane
enough
> to let him be the no. 1 option coz of his horrifying shooting in field
goal
> and take note!...also in free throws!!!  he just sucks when he shoots the
> ball and clanks it.  and having a Pippen-like body or Malone-like body
> wouldn't even help in improving his shooting percentage.  Man, Pitino's
> really a God huh???  Just teach walker to use his height and weight to go
> inside the paint and power it down!  not letting him shoot 3 balls when
he's
> not a shooter anyways.  what a waste of height and heft, man.  he just
needs
> to use his head more!!!
> >Cecil
> >
> >>
> >> It's not like they have a predetermined "selfish
> >> >gene" that they can't overcome.
> >> >
> >> >I would bet a lot of money on Antoine shooting better than 30% fg for
hi
> s
> >> >career. I'd guess there are very, very few players in the NBA that
shoot
> >> >30%; and Antoine has done far better in his short career so far.
> >> >
> >> >Alex
> >> >
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