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Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V6 #33
Way of the Ray wrote:
> According to Bob Finnan in today's Ohio's News-Herald, Cleveland is
> looking to free up cap space to sign Laphonso Ellis. They need to
> move both Bob Sura and Vitaly Potapenko in order to do so. There
> are ten teams interested in trading for Potapenko -- and while no
> specific team was mentioned -- you have to figure the Celtics are
> one of them. Sura has $25 million left on his deal and a gimpy ankle.
> If the Cavs can move out the two players, they will sign Ellis and
> another post guy like John Williams.
According to ESPN:
Potapenko: 6'10", 280lbs., Age 24.
1996-7 15.5mpg FG%:.440 FT%:.723 2.7rpg 0.5apg 5.8ppg
1997-8 17.7mpg FG%:.480 FT%:.704 3.9rpg 0.7apg 7.1ppg
For a widebody center, this guy doesn't haul down a lot of boards, or
block shots. He did improve in his second year, and he might be useful
to the Celtics, but there's nothing great about him and he doesn't seem
like a fit for Pitino's system.
Sura: 6'5", 200lbs., Age 26.
1995-6 14.5mpg FG%:.411 FT%:.702 1.7rpg 2.9apg 5.3ppg
1996-7 27.7mpg FG%:.431 FT%:.614 3.8rpg 4.8apg 9.2ppg
1997-8 20.5mpg FG%:.377 FT%:.565 2.0rpg 3.7apg 5.8ppg
*If* he were healthy, I think Sura could actually be a useful addition for
the Celtics. His numbers were way down in 1997-8, but he had injury
problems and only played in 46 games. He is a 2 guard who can handle the
ball and fill in at the point. I think he'd be a useful backup to Mercer
and Anderson.
In general, I am against the idea of trading Paul Pierce for Vitaly
Potapenko. But, if we were going to do it, how about expanding the deal
to include Sura and some of our salary cap deadwood? Something like:
To Boston: Sura, Potapenko
To Cleveland: Pierce, D.Jones, Ellison or Minor
In addition, we would get the option to swap first round draft choices
with Cleveland once in a future draft (no lottery protection).
This kind of deal would get us a couple of serviceable players, and get
rid of some deadwood at the same time. Still, I'd rather hang onto Pierce
for a while (unless Pitino knows something about him that we don't).
Michael Byrnes
mbyrnes@stanford.edu
> Ray
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:01:55 -0800
> From: "Shailendra K Mishra" <skmishra@sprintmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Sam Smith Takes Shot At Celtics
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayray@ix.netcom.com>
> In the Chicago Tribune -- 1/20/99 -- Smith said:
> >
> >"It doesn't seem as if the Bulls got much for a good part of their
> >championship team, but they may have accomplished a lot toward a
> >quick rebuilding.
>
> My only comment is wait and see what happens. As far as I can see, most top
> free agents are going to sign with their teams, so it really doesn't matter
> how much money you have under the cap. Also, if you think that FA's are
> going to come running to sign with you because you are Chicago Bulls..then
> you have another thing coming. Krause will have to learn to plead and beg a
> little bit, when players and agents start jerking him around. Just watch
> plight of Phoenix Suns they surrendered 2 first round draft picks + players
> for McDyess and what did he give them in return "middle of a doughnut".
> >
> >"Consider the Celtics, who held onto their stars until they had to
> >retire.
>
> >:They haven't been to the the Eastern Finals in 12 years and don't seem
> >headed back any time soon.
>
> We have some chance to go to eastern finals within couple of year, but the
> Bulls won't be able to even sniff the playoffs in years to come.
>
> >"And they've still got Red Auerbach."
>
> And they will still have Jerry Krause <twice executive of the year>.
> -
> Mishra
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:07:37 -0500
> From: "Belanger,Roger" <rbelange@foxboro.com>
> Subject: Travis Siting
>
> Hi All,
> Just in case there was any doubt about the trade, read these excerpts from
> the LA Times. The entire article is much bigger, but I pulled out only the
> lines of interest to us.
> Roger
>
> Lakers' puzzle taking shape
> JANUARY 20, 1999
>
> by TIM KAWAKAMI Los Angeles Times
>
>
> Travis Knight, not yet officially reacquired, appeared for the workout,
> joining all 11 of the signed or drafted Lakers.
> Knight, meanwhile, drew raves about his play in the workout from Jones and
> relished his return to the Lakers -- in a trade for Tony Battie
> </nba/players/3176/index.html> that will be announced today -- a year after
> signing a $22-million free-agent deal with the Boston Celtics
> </nba/teams/celtics/index.html>.
> "Funny how things work out," said Knight, who played his rookie season with
> the Lakers but was prevented from signing a lucrative deal in L.A. because
> of salary-cap restrictions. "I can't complain at all. I don't regret my
> decision, and even if I would've stayed in Boston, I wouldn't regret my
> decision.
> "When I left (L.A.) I didn't think I would (return). That's why the decision
> was so hard for me."
> The Lakers have made no solid lineup decisions, other than that O'Neal is
> their starting center, and Knight said nothing has been promised to him.
> "I'm just going to try to plug some holes, some gaps they had," Knight said.
> "Whatever Coach wants to do is fine with me."
> Top of Form 1
> <<...>>
> Bottom of Form 1
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:36:12 -0700
> From: "Michael J. King Sr." <kingpin@primenet.com>
> Subject: Re: Tidbits from 68 Sports Night
>
> At 08:48 1/21/99 , Tony Alberghini wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >Just some random tidbits from Butch Stearns on channel 68 sports
> >night. For those who don't know 68 will be carrying the away games
> >and every night @ 10:00pm they have a 30mins sports show.
>
> I just want to say thanks for posting the above. I for one hope you can
> post tidbits from the show on a regular basis for those of us out of the
> New England area. It would be a fine addition to Rays posting of the
> various newspaper URL's. Again thanks!! Later.Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:07:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Josh Ozersky <josh_ozersky@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Stewart Signs with Toronto
>
> David Aldridge reports it. I guess a bad team, Canadian taxes, and
> cold weather were what Stewart was after. Fuck him! Don't trade
> Pierce!
>
> josh
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:21:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jeremy <jwarren@eecs.tufts.edu>
> Subject: We lost Stewart!!!
>
> WEEI just announced that Stewart signed with Toronto... I guess Jackie
> MacMullen was right about free agents not wanting to come to Boston.
> Unless we trade for a center, things really look bleak for this season.
>
> Jeremy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:33:14 -0900
> From: damekmo@teleport.com
> Subject: Re: Stewart Signs with Toronto
>
> >David Aldridge reports it. I guess a bad team, Canadian taxes, and
> >cold weather were what Stewart was after. Fuck him! Don't trade
> >Pierce!
> >
> >josh
> >
>
> This is not a good sign. Do you really think Ricky goes with
> Declercq/Battie at center? A trade is coming up.
>
> Paul M.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:24:31 -0800
> From: "Odegaard, Greg M." <GMOdegaa@rmc.com>
> Subject: RE: Stewart Signs with Toronto
>
> I will buy all us a beer if this is true to drown our sorrows, as I would
> have to celebrate his intelligent and brave decision to play for reasons
> other than money. I echo Josh's sentiment in general, IF THIS TRUE, as he
> obviously doesn't have the fortitude to look beyond the dollars, clean water
> and air, and sometimes good beer and hockey. Go Canada!, straight into a
> freaking @*$%^.
>
> Son of a $*tch,
> Ode
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Ozersky [mailto:josh_ozersky@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 11:08 AM
> To: celtics@igtc.com
> Subject: Stewart Signs with Toronto
>
>
> David Aldridge reports it. I guess a bad team, Canadian taxes, and
> cold weather were what Stewart was after. *$ck him! Don't trade
> Pierce!
>
> josh
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:22:16 -0600
> From: eestes@kearney.net (Erik Estes)
> Subject: Bird Interview
>
> Did everyone see this interview with Larry?? Its on ESPNet.Sportszone. An
> "NBA at 50" tribute thing. Here is the link if you didn't.
>
> Erik Estes
>
>
> http://www.nba.com/history/bird_50.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:53:42 -0800
> From: Ken Mattina <mattinak@teleport.com>
> Subject: Re: We lost Stewart!!!
>
> At 02:21 PM 1/21/99 -0500, Jeremy wrote:
> >WEEI just announced that Stewart signed with Toronto... I guess Jackie
> >MacMullen was right about free agents not wanting to come to Boston.
> >Unless we trade for a center, things really look bleak for this season.
> >
> >Jeremy
> >
>
> Please define "bleak".
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> - --------------------
> mattinak@teleport.com
> mattinak@ohsu.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:55:47 -0600
> From: "Gene Kirkpatrick" <gkir@tjc.tyler.cc.tx.us>
> Subject: Don't trade
>
> I wouldn't. I would push through this crummy half-season and showcase
> what we got. Then with a reasonable draft pick and player, trade for
> a center. I think we would have to give up too much
> value--Pierce--for a second rate center. Why bother? If DeClerq and
> Popeye are healthy, they can bang around enough for us over this short
> season. Who knows how Battie will develop? Bring in
> Schinztztizztouzts and let him push on Ewing and the other big
> centers.
>
> Gene (about as far away from real sense as I ever am)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:17:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Josh Ozersky <josh_ozersky@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Let's not get crazy
>
> Look, Mike Stewart isn't that different a player from Tony Battie. Of
> the two, I'd much rather have Battie, who has a real offensive touch.
> Maybe we can get Keon Clark from Denver now -- although I hear they
> are working some kind of secret trade now, and he might be involved.
> I will be very happy, not to say ecstatic, with a team of our four all
> stars, and a committee of Battie, Jones, DeClergq, and Shinzius for
> the goon work. Losing Stewart is a pinprick compared to the gut wound
> losing Pierce would be, or the maiming of losing Antoine.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:28:34 PST
> From: "Bob George" <bgeorge76@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Stewart to Toronto?
>
> ESPN says Michael Stewart will sign with Toronto for $1M/1 yr. But
> every other news source says that Stewart will sign with Boston. What's
> the scoop?
>
> Bob George
>
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> http://www.bobgeorge.com
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:48 -0500 (EST)
> From: "David M. Darlington" <darlingt@hal.muhlberg.edu>
> Subject: Stewart and Walker
>
> In the Walker article on Sportszone
> (http://espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/990121/01058369.html), it says that
> Stewart signed with Toronto for 1 year at $1mil. I really wonder what RP
> was offering to Stewart. Wasn't the rumor our $1.75 mil exemption? Did
> Stewart sign for LESS money in Toronto? Was our deal too long? Or, was
> our offer not that substantial to begin with?
>
> I'm glad Walker has re-signed. 6 years, $71 mil.
> - -David
>
> - --------------------------------------------------------------------
> "It's the things you don't say that you regret the most." - Erricson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:30:15 -0800
> From: peter delevett <pdelevett@amcity.com>
> Subject: Stewart??
>
> Mishra -- I didnt see this on Sportline. Rather, I saw a report (dated today)
> that the Craptors signed Stewart for 1 year at $1 million! That's at
> http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,613717_54,00.html. Why the f-ck
> anybody would do this is beyond me (if, in fact, the Celts were offering him 3
> years for $6 million via the larger exception), but one factor may have been
> that Stewart's former college coach, Todd "Show Me the Money" Bozeman, is now
> a scout with Toronto.
>
> Damn! Can anybody confirm this??
>
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:17:01 -0800
> From: "Shailendra K Mishra" <skmishra@sprintmail.com>
> Subject: Michael Stewart
>
> Sportsline is now confirming that the Celts are close to signing Stewart. -
> Mishra
>
> http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,610615_54,00.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:40:46 -0500
> From: "Belanger,Roger" <rbelange@foxboro.com>
> Subject: Walker is as good as signed!!!
>
> >From the news wire!!!!
>
>
> BOSTON -- Standout forward Antoine Walker apparently plans to stay with the
> Boston Celtics instead of going to the Chicago Bulls as a free agent.
>
> The Boston Globe reported Thursday that Walker has agreed to a six-year, $71
> million contract extension with the Celtics and will sign the deal after the
> NBA lockout ended Thursday.
>
>
> The 6-9, 245-pound Walker is in the final year of his three-year rookie
> contract.
>
>
> Walker reportedly was high on the Bulls' wish list for next year's free
> agent signing period.
>
>
> Previous reports indicate that the 22-year-old Walker will have a new
> teammate in 6-11, 240-pound forward-center Tony Battie, who apparently has
> been acquired from the Lakers for center Travis Knight.
>
>
> As for Walker, he is the main cog in the rebuilding program of Celtics and
> coach-general manager Rick Pitino, who guided the budding superstar at
> Kentucky.
>
>
> "He's 6-10, 6-9½, and he has guard skills," Pitino told the Globe. "I also
> think that if he works on his body, he can absolutely punish people inside.
> That's something we'll be looking for him to do, to work on his body. He has
> the type of body that can hold 255 pounds of muscle."
>
>
> For Boston to improve on its 36-46 record and sixth-place finish in the
> Atlantic Division in this shortened season, Walker will have to better his
> field-goal percentage, which was just 42.6 percent last season. Despite the
> low figure, he averaged 22.4 points and added 10.2 rebounds per game in his
> second NBA campaign. He also chipped in 3.3 assists per contest.
>
>
> Walker played all 82 games for the second straight campaign in 1997-98,
> registering a season-high 49 points January 7, 1998 in a 110-108 loss at
> Washington. No Celtic had reached that figure since Larry Bird in 1991-92.
>
>
> The Globe also reported that the Celtics will rertain free agent forward
> Popeye Jones. The 6-8, 250-pound Jones played 16 games for Boston in an
> injury-plagued 1997-98 season, averaging 7.8 points and 6.4 rebounds per
> game.
>
>
> Battie was a member of one of the worst NBA teams of all-time, the 11-71
> Denver Nuggets, in his rookie season last year. He contributed 8.4 points
> and 5.4 rebounds per game in 65 contests before getting traded in the
> offseason to the Lakers in the Nick Van Exel deal.
>
>
> The Celtics were also hoping to sign free-agent center Michael Stewart, the
> former Sacramento Kings who is a shot blocker, but lost out to the Toronto
> Raptors, who inked him to a one-year, $1 million deal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:51:04 -0800
> From: peter delevett <pdelevett@amcity.com>
> Subject: Crap.
>
> Here it is:
>
> TORONTO (Ticker) -- The Toronto Raptors added a needed big body to their
> frontcourt today
> when they signed former Sacramento Kings
> forward-center Michael Stewart to a one-year, $1
> million contract.
>
> A spokeswoman for Stewart's agent, Bill Duffy,
> confirmed the deal, which could become official
> at any time, since the NBA lockout officially ended
> at 2 p.m. EST.
>
> Stewart, 23, received the team's $1 million salary
> cap exception. As per the new collective
> bargaining agreement, teams receive a $1 million
> exception and $1.75 million exception.
>
> The Toronto Globe and Mail reported that the $1.75
> million exception could be used to retain guard
> Alvin Williams, who was acquired from the Portland
> Trail Blazers in the Damon Stoudamire deal
> last season.
>
> The Boston Celtics were hoping to sign the
> shot-blocking Stewart, a former Kings ballboy who
> stands to gain a large salary increase and a
> long-term deal with the Raptors next year after playing
> for an otherwise small salary this season.
>
> [I think this is the real key here. Toronto obviously has a wink-wink CHris
> Dudley deal to pay him a load next year when they go way under the cap.]
>
> Stewart missed only one game with the Kings last
> season. He was eighth in the NBA with 2.4
> blocks per game and averaged 4.6 points and 6.6
> rebounds while shooting 48 percent from the
> field. However, he is just a 46 percent free-throw
> shooter.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:58:50 -0500
> From: Rohan Prashad <rprasha@clemson.edu>
> Subject: Stewart-who cares
>
> Why is everyone acting like losing Michael Stewart is the end of the
> world for the Celtics? He's a 6'10, 2nd year, unproven center, I don't
> think losing him means we absolutely need to trade for a center. (much
> less trade Paul for a center) We had DeClerq and Bannana Boy Knight at
> 5 last year and we picked up 36 wins, and that was without having Popeye
> on the defensive boards. The lead-footed Potapenko would be just as out
> of place in this system as Knight, so why not play this abbreviated
> season with what we have and evaluate from there? Stewart's deal is
> only 1 year anyway, so if he really impresses we could go steal him from
> the Raptors after this season.
>
> Rohan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:02:27 PST
> From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stewart to Toronto?
>
> David Aldridge is saying he's got a scoop on this one. I haven't heard
> anything that sounds official yet. Actually, radio is reporting all of
> the deals, Antoine, Popeye, Battie, and Stewart with Toronto as if they
> are official, but I'm not sure they are. This is driving me crazy.
>
> Jim
>
>
> >From: "Bob George" <bgeorge76@hotmail.com>
> >To: celtics@igtc.com
> >Subject: Stewart to Toronto?
> >Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:28:34 PST
> >
> >ESPN says Michael Stewart will sign with Toronto for $1M/1 yr. But
> >every other news source says that Stewart will sign with Boston.
> What's
> >the scoop?
> >
> >Bob George
> >
> >Read Bob George's Best Of Boston Sports At
> >http://www.bobgeorge.com
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:17:28 -0800
> From: Shailendra Mishra <skmishra@us.oracle.com>
> Subject: Re: Stewart??
>
> That was yesterday late night..looks like it's sort of confirmed that he is
> signing with the Raptors.
> - Mishra
> peter delevett wrote:
>
> > Mishra -- I didnt see this on Sportline. Rather, I saw a report (dated today)
> > that the Craptors signed Stewart for 1 year at $1 million! That's at
> > http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,613717_54,00.html. Why the f-ck
> > anybody would do this is beyond me (if, in fact, the Celts were offering him 3
> > years for $6 million via the larger exception), but one factor may have been
> > that Stewart's former college coach, Todd "Show Me the Money" Bozeman, is now
> > a scout with Toronto.
> >
> > Damn! Can anybody confirm this??
> >
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:17:01 -0800
> > From: "Shailendra K Mishra" <skmishra@sprintmail.com>
> > Subject: Michael Stewart
> >
> > Sportsline is now confirming that the Celts are close to signing Stewart. -
> > Mishra
> >
> > http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,610615_54,00.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:26:45 -0500
> From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@usit.net>
> Subject: Walker article
>
> ESPN reports that Walker has agreed to a $71 Million contract with the
> Celtics. It is over 6 years. So much for Sam Smith and taking Walker
> to Chicago.
>
> http://espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/990121/01058369.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:30:48 PST
> From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Player Movement Central
>
> OK, NBA.COM now have a link to OFFICIAL transactions. So far, they are
> only ones you have heard, but not the Stewart deal. By the way, I also
> don't think it's that big a deal for the C's, considering all of the
> other positives.
>
> So far, they have...
>
> Latrell Sprewell traded to Knicks in 4-player deal
>
> Jayson Williams re-signs with Nets
>
> Magic trade Johnny Taylor, draft rights to Keon Clark to Nuggets for
> pick
>
> Celtics deal Travis Knight to Lakers for Tony Battie
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:40:59 -0800
> From: peter delevett <pdelevett@amcity.com>
> Subject: Re: I totally agree.
>
> I hate to say this, but I think the fact that we lost out on Stewart
> exponentially increases the chances of our trading Pierce. Popeye and
> (hopefully) Battie will improve our interior play quite a bit over last year,
> but I believe RP still wants a center so we don't get killed on defense (and I
> don't think Schintzius can fill the bill). Stewart had a lot of question
> marks, but he would have helped us defensively. I no longer think Rick will be
> willing to wait until next year, especially since Walker's new contract will
> limit our FA flexibility.
>
> I've thought about this an inordinate amount of time, and I think there's a
> solution that could net us a decent big man while still not leaving us totally
> in the lurch at the 3. Yes, it's the Potapenko deal again, but with a twist.
> We would send Pierce, DQ and Dontae to Cleveland in exchange for Potapenko and
> Wesley Person. Hear me out here. All we are really giving up is Pierce, which
> is a lot, but we are gaining a 6'10, 280 pounder who can lean on the big
> bodies and is a good post scorer. We also are gaining a scorer at the 3 spot
> who can swing to the 2, is young and athletic enough to play Pitinoball, and
> is one of the better three point shooters in the league. We were dismal in
> that area last year, and having him (& Dana) on the wings could really open
> things up inside for Walker and for drives to the basket by Mercer. One of our
> biggest needs at the end of last season, remember, was a scoring 3; we got
> that in spades in Pierce, but Person will still meet that need while also
> bringing us a legitimate center. Potapenko's no all-pro, but in the insane
> world where Matt Geiger gets $80 million, we might never be able to afford
> one. His lousy rebounding and shot-blocking could be offset by Jones and
> Battie, respectively.
>
> We also get rid of Dontae's salary and potential attitude problem. The Cavs
> would probably be willing to do this, as Dontae's contract expires at the end
> of the season. They would have to sign Potapenko to an extension before we
> made this deal, since he's also a FA this summer.
>
> The salaries aren't an exact match -- there's a difference of about $420K, and
> I don't know if that's close enough to satisfy NBA rules and/or fit under our
> cap. If not, we could try to balance the scales by throwing in Bowen, who
> earns $507K this year, though I would be loath to lose him:
>
> De Q: 1.44 million Person: $3.08 million
> Dontae: $953,856 Potapenko: $1.23 million
> Pierce: $1.5 million (approx.) TOTAL: $4.31 million
> TOTAL: $3.89 million
>
> Me, I would be willing to say, 'Let's see what Battie and even Schintzius can
> do before we deal Pierce.' I've already raised my concerns about whether
> Potapenko could run & gun in our system. But if we are doomed to trade Pierce,
> I think this could be one of the more attractive deals around.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:41:20 PST
> From: "Jim Meninno" <jim_meninno@hotmail.com>
> Subject: News from Brandeis
>
> Steve Buckley is reporting from Celtics practice on WEEI and he has
> spoken to Pitino who said that not getting Stewart will allow Battie to
> get more playing time, so that's a good thing. Spin, Rick, spin.
> Sounds like the reports are all true, then.
>
> Jim
>
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> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:44:53 -0800
> From: Shailendra Mishra <skmishra@us.oracle.com>
> Subject: Re: Walker article
>
> Sam Smith must be expecting that we would sign and trade Walker for Roy
> Rogers and a second round draft pick <Ha! Ha! > - Mishra
> R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
> > ESPN reports that Walker has agreed to a $71 Million contract with the
> > Celtics. It is over 6 years. So much for Sam Smith and taking Walker
> > to Chicago.
> >
> > http://espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/990121/01058369.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:56:29 EST
> From: Georgek27@aol.com
> Subject: How about...
>
> If we were to trade Pierce for Potapenko I think we'd be making a big mistake.
> Not only because of Pierce's upside but because I don't think Potapenko will
> ever amount to much in the NBA.
>
> How about Pierce for Dampier? Golden State is such a mess who knows if they
> can or think they can keep Dampier at season's end. We won't be able to fit
> him under the cap then but we could do it now. At least he is more proven than
> Potapenko.
>
> I don't know if Stewart would have been the answer but it sure seems he would
> have ben a better fit here than in Toronto. The Raptors' front line already
> has Oakley who scores in single digits so there is going to be pressure on
> Stewart to score some. Here there would have been no such pressure. I'm
> disappointed we lost out on him but even if we do nothing else I think having
> a full season of Kenny + Pierce, Battie & Popeye will make this season's team
> much better.
>
> George
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:24:33 -0800
> From: Shailendra Mishra <skmishra@us.oracle.com>
> Subject: Re: I totally agree.
>
> peter delevett wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I've thought about this an inordinate amount of time, and I think there's a
> > solution that could net us a decent big man while still not leaving us totally
> > in the lurch at the 3. Yes, it's the Potapenko deal again, but with a twist.
> > We would send Pierce, DQ and Dontae to Cleveland in exchange for Potapenko and
> > Wesley Person. Hear me out here. All we are really giving up is Pierce, which
> > is a lot, but we are gaining a 6'10, 280 pounder who can lean on the big
> > bodies and is a good post scorer.
>
> I still question the deal, Potapenko is terrible. If all one wants is a 270 pounder
> then
> why not aquire Montross from Philly for some second rounders.
>
> > We also are gaining a scorer at the 3 spot
> > who can swing to the 2, is young and athletic enough to play Pitinoball, and
> > is one of the better three point shooters in the league. We were dismal in
> > that area last year, and having him (& Dana) on the wings could really open
> > things up inside for Walker and for drives to the basket by Mercer. One of our
> > biggest needs at the end of last season, remember, was a scoring 3; we got
> > that in spades in Pierce, but Person will still meet that need while also
> > bringing us a legitimate center.
>
> Person is a good shooter but he is terrible defender..from whatever I have seen of
> Pierce in college we are getting a total package not just a one dimensional player.
> I
> am not just willing give up on a player who has the potential of being a perennial
> all
> star in this league.
>
>
> > Potapenko's no all-pro, but in the insane
> > world where Matt Geiger gets $80 million, we might never be able to afford
> > one. His lousy rebounding and shot-blocking could be offset by Jones and
> > Battie, respectively.
>
> Geiger is better than Potapenko, Potapenko is very fould prone and hasn't shown
> anything
> in the NBA. Heck he hasn't played more than 16 mpg.
>
> > We also get rid of Dontae's salary and potential attitude problem. The Cavs
> > would probably be willing to do this, as Dontae's contract expires at the end
> > of the season. They would have to sign Potapenko to an extension before we
> > made this deal, since he's also a FA this summer.
>
> Donate is gone if not in a trade at the begining of the season then definitely in
> the middle of
> the season to a team seeking salary cap relief.
>
> > Me, I would be willing to say, 'Let's see what Battie and even Schintzius can
> > do before we deal Pierce.' I've already raised my concerns about whether
> > Potapenko could run & gun in our system. But if we are doomed to trade Pierce,
> > I think this could be one of the more attractive deals around.
>
> I don't think Schintzius will make the team and I am disappointed in Chris Wallace
> so much so that he couldn't get anybody better at the backup center spot. There are
> tons of people who are not young but can play center better than Schintzius. -
> Mishra
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:28:36 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jeremy <jwarren@eecs.tufts.edu>
> Subject: Re: We lost Stewart!!!
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2000, Ken Mattina wrote:
>
> > At 02:21 PM 1/21/99 -0500, Jeremy wrote:
> > >WEEI just announced that Stewart signed with Toronto... I guess Jackie
> > >MacMullen was right about free agents not wanting to come to Boston.
> > >Unless we trade for a center, things really look bleak for this season.
> > >
> > >Jeremy
> > >
> >
> > Please define "bleak".
> >
> > Ken
>
> Bleak (as defined in the Webster's Lexicon Dictionary):
>
> Losing a free agent recruiting battle with Toronto when they offer $1M for
> one year; not having a legitimate center on your roster when every other
> team in your division does; resting the hopes of your franchise on a west
> coast up-tempo style when you're in an east coast Bones-Thugs-N-Harmony
> division; having no interior presence whatsoever; playing only 5 of your
> first 18 games at home; facing the very real possibility of not making the
> playoffs for the fourth year in a row; putting band-aids (Popeye and
> Battie) on cancerous tumors while division rivals significantly improve
> their teams; having no cap space for the next seven years.
>
> I think I'm turning into Paul M.
>
> Jeremy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:37:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: RSMALL@clarku.edu
> Subject: Re: Stewart-who cares
>
> >Subj: Stewart-who cares
>
>
> Thank you. You would have thought we lost Tim Duncan or something. Stewart
> may be nice but he is a long way away. Play this year with what the C's have
> and then go from there.
>
> >Why is everyone acting like losing Michael Stewart is the end of the
> >world for the Celtics? He's a 6'10, 2nd year, unproven center, I don't
> >think losing him means we absolutely need to trade for a center. (much
> >less trade Paul for a center) We had DeClerq and Bannana Boy Knight at
> >5 last year and we picked up 36 wins, and that was without having Popeye
> >on the defensive boards. The lead-footed Potapenko would be just as out
> >of place in this system as Knight, so why not play this abbreviated
> >season with what we have and evaluate from there? Stewart's deal is
> >only 1 year anyway, so if he really impresses we could go steal him from
> >the Raptors after this season.
> >
> >Rohan
> >
>
> Rich
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:00:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mister Ghost <mister_ghost@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: News from Brandeis
>
> Yeah, Pitino is "laughing and lying" in fine form.
> I don't believe a word he says on anyone.
> MG
>
>
>
>
> - ---Jim Meninno <jim_meninno@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Steve Buckley is reporting from Celtics practice on WEEI and he has
> > spoken to Pitino who said that not getting Stewart will allow Battie
> to
> > get more playing time, so that's a good thing. Spin, Rick, spin.
> > Sounds like the reports are all true, then.
> >
> > Jim
> >
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>
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:15:34 -0800
> From: mberry@journalink.com (Mark Berry)
> Subject: BIG MEN
>
> Considering the current problem at center, is it time again to revisit the Elden
> Campbell idea?
>
> Jerry West has been trying to use Campbell in conjunction with Eddie Jones to
> land one of the big-name power forwards out there, but with Gugliotta signing
> with Phoenix, it doesn't look like that will happen. The last remaining option,
> it appears, is a deal for Chris Webber.
>
> So, if West doesn't do that, would he consider unloading Campbell and his bad
> salary for some of our dead weight and Popeye? (He may insist on Pierce)
>
> I know some of your out there despise Campbell, but I still think he could be a
> solid center on this team.
>
> Besides, it sounds like we're going to be capped out of the bidding for any
> decent centers for years to come. If the going rate is $9 million for Matt
> Geiger, then we'll be waiting forever.
>
> I'd much rather we deal for Campbell than for Potapenko (especially if Pierce is
> part of either deal).
>
> Mark
>
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