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Re: Chauncey vs. Kenny
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> From: Daniel Pelletier <dlp@philabs.research.philips.com>
> To: 'Celtics@igtc.com' <Celtics@igtc.COM>
> Subject: Chauncey vs. Kenny
> Date: Monday, March 09, 1998 7:03 AM
>
> I want to make one more point in the Chauncey vs. Kenny discussion,
> particularly about the age issue. RIght now, it seems clear that Kenny
> runs the point better. But some have worried that in a few years
> Chauncey will develop into as good a point as Kenny and he will much
> younger and have more productive years ahead of him. That may well be
> true. But carry that argument out to its logical conclusion. Assume
> Chauncey develops over the next two years into as good a point as Kenny.
> He is now three years into the league, heading into his prime years of
> productivity and a free agent. Assuming that the Celts have by that
> time broken the bank for Walker, if they still had Chauncey (and a
> steadily impressive Mercer), they couldn't afford him. So, he'd be a
> great point guard for some other team. Kenny, however will still be
> under contract.
>
> So, the question of age is moot, because if the best happens with
> Chauncey, we couldn't hold him. His effective career for the Celtics
> lasts three years. Kenny's under contract for five years and so his
> effective career for the Celtics is arguably longer than Chauncey's.
> So we got a better point for a longer period.
>
> I think that Pitino and his crew understand the realities of today's NBA
> better than most and deals like the Anderson one prove it. Gain a
> professional point guard now, lock him up for five years to provide the
> leadership and stbility a young team needs, and gain some cap
> flexibility in the process. Nicely done.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> I think most are agreed that the team seems to move better with
> Anderson. He is clearly the better floor leader today than Chauncey.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com
> >[SMTP:Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com]
> >Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 8:53 AM
> >To: Celtics-Digest@igtc.com
> >Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #108
> >
> >
> >The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> > Monday, March 9 1998 Volume 05 : Number 108
> >
> >
> >
> >In this issue:
> >
> > re Billups
> > Re: Get Rid of McCarty
> > gh18@juno.com (Gregory Hurst): 1998 Draft
> > BILLUPS
> > Re: Get Rid of McCarty
> > Pitino article on ESPN Sportszone
> > New Trivia Questions
> > Re: Celts Triumphant: Boston 108- Washington 98
> > RE: Billups&Mercer
> > Post Game Comments
> > Pacers
> > RE: re Get rid of McCarty
> > Celts Fall Short: Indiana 104- Boston 100
> > Re: Billups&Mercer
> > Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #106
> > I met robert Parish
> > RE: Billups&Mercer
> > RE: re Get rid of McCarty
> > Re:PeterMay
> > Draft Dates
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:07:03 -0500
> >From: Dan <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >Subject: re Billups
> >
> >It may not be fair to compare the two, but it is fair to compare the
> >progress the team could and is making with Anderson, compared to
> >Billups.
> >This team is a whole season ahead of itself. No one, no one except us
> >Celts
> >nuts thought the Celts would be in this good. Sacrificing Billups for
> >Anderson has pushed up the growth of Walker and Mercer a full season,
> >in
> >just a few games already. It was the best decision the Celts have made
> >outside of drafting Walker and Mercer, in years.
> >>Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:52:46 -0500
> >>From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> >>Subject: Billups
> >>
> >>Well, let's see, is it really fair to compare Billups and Anderson. KA
> >>does have a little more experience than did CB. Plus, this is supposed
> >>to be a team building for the future, not one that is going for it all
> >>today. I would hope KA is a better point guard than CB today, as we
> >>really are bad off if not.
> >>
> >>That is not the question, the question is in 3 years, or 5 years, who
> >>will be the one you want to be there. I predict that if there is an
NBA
> >>then, we will wish CB was back in Beantown. He has the better future.
> >>
> >>- --
> >>
> >>Peace,
> >>
> >>Bentz
> >>bocelts@scsn.net
> >>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
> >>
> >>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:57:24 -0500
> >From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
> >Subject: Re: Get Rid of McCarty
> >
> >Tommy said "I Love Walter" on Friday night, and Walter had a couple of
> >impressive plays. He's just been in a funk, as others have been from
> >time
> >to time.
> >Dorine
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:21:18 -0600
> >From: gh18@juno.com (Gregory Hurst)
> >Subject: gh18@juno.com (Gregory Hurst): 1998 Draft
> >
> >Can someone please post the date of the 1998 NBA draft?
> >
> >
> >
> >Greg
> >gh18@juno.com
> >
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> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:19:34 -0500
> >From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
> >Subject: BILLUPS
> >
> >Who knows, maybe we'll be able to get Chauncy back someday, after our
> >team has developed and Chauncy has also improved. He was well liked by
> >the fans and his
> >fellow players, and that could happen. If he becomes the player some
> >of
> >us feel he
> >can be, at that time it might be possible. I liked Chauncy too, but I
> >believe Kenny is
> >what this team needed right now, and as they say, "the proof is in the
> >pudding". This team is noticably better with Kenny in the picture. It
> >doesn't take much to see that, it
> >was immediately obvious. No matter what, I think we all wish Chauncy
> >well.
> >Dorine
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 01:33:49 +1000
> >From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@eisa.net.au>
> >Subject: Re: Get Rid of McCarty
> >
> >Dorine Pratt wrote:
> >>
> >> Tommy said "I Love Walter" on Friday night, and Walter had a couple of
> >> impressive plays. He's just been in a funk, as others have been from
> >> time
> >> to time.
> >> Dorine
> >
> >I agree, young players ARE allowed to have funks. He is still LEARNING
> >the game. I think that these guys will all have funks, just luckilly
> >for
> >us so far, it hasn't happend all at once and we're beating the teams we
> >should be beating and either beating or making an impressive show
> >against the other teams.
> >
> >Its amazing what a real point guard will do.
> >
> >Sorry Chauncey, I will always love ye, but we needed someone who could
> >help us win and thats Kenny...
> >
> >Read 'The Next Timmy Hardaway' article at http://www.onhoops.com and
> >tell me what you think, I wrote that the day KA was traded to us!
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Warwick Janetzki
> >
> >- --
> >MZ?
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:32:36 -0500
> >From: JOSH FARBER <joshfarber@home.com>
> >Subject: Pitino article on ESPN Sportszone
> >
> >Here's an article I found on ESPN Sportszone.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Pitino insists on success
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> > PROFILE
> > MARCH 5, 1998
> >
> > BOSTON - When Rick Pitino arrived at Providence
> >College
> >in 1985, he
> > inherited an 11-20 team and a doughy junior point
> >guard
> >named Billy Donovan.
> >
> > "Nobody expected much, including the players," says
> >Donovan, now the head
> > coach at the University of Florida. "There was an
> >article written that asked,
> > 'How can you play in a Rolls Royce league with
> >Volkswagen players?'
> >
> > "Well, we succeeded because of Rick Pitino, not
> >because
> >of our personnel. He
> > believed in us. The biggest thing is, he drives you
> >beyond where you think you
> > can go -- and you still want to come back for more."
> >
> > Isn't that the clinical definition of good coaching?
> >
> > Providence was 17-14 in Pitino's first year and 25-9
> >in
> >1986-87. The Friars
> > went to the Final Four that season, and Donovan --
> >whose unlikely reincarnation
> > best embodied Pitino's vision -- was the leading
> >scorer. Donovan does not argue
> > with those who call that Providence team the
> >least-talented ever to reach the
> > Final Four.
> >
> > And now, for the fifth time in Pitino's career, it's
> >happening again. Some people
> > who haven't been paying attention are surprised.
> >
> > "They were saying that the Boston Celtics would be
> >lucky to win a dozen games
> > this season," Donovan says. "Not me. I said they'd win
> >40. That's how much
> > faith I had in him. You know what? It could happen."
> >
> > Last year under M.L. Carr, the Celtics won a
> >franchise-low 15 games and lost a
> > numbing 67. Pitino's Celtics are 28-31 after Wednesday
> >night's 110-94 loss to
> > Utah.
> >
> > This is fairly remarkable, for the Celtics, who have
> >beaten Chicago and Los
> > Angeles, have no inside presence to speak of. Like
> >those old Providence teams,
> > they live on the perimeter.
> >
> > Pitino, looking relaxed in green and white sweats,
> >laughs. It's an hour before the
> > Jazz game, and he has just been asked if he thought
> >this team would have a
> > serious whiff of .500 this late in the season. Stupid
> >question, really.
> >
> > "It doesn't surprise me," he says.
> > "But I think we're going to have to
> > win 40 to make the playoffs. To be
> > honest with you, I'm not sure if we
> > can get there."
> >
> > When the Celtics signed Pitino, 45,
> > to an unprecedented 10-year,
> > $50-million contract, the open
> > question in the NBA was this: could
> > he convince 25-year-old veterans to
> > dive on the floor for loose balls every
> > night?
> >
> > In a word, yes.
> >
> > The Celtics, the youngest team in the
> > league, simply try harder. Pitino --
> > dubbed The Ricktator by the Boston
> > Globe's Peter May -- gets his team
> > to play every night, a novelty in a
> > league of eight-figure annual salaries.
> >
> > Boston leads the league in forcing turnovers. The
> >Celtics play a frenzied game of
> > full-court pressure that requires the use of the
> >entire
> >roster. Eleven of the 12
> > players average at least 12 minutes.
> >
> > "They are," says Charlotte coach Dave Cowens, a former
> >Celtic, "like fleas on a
> > dog."
> >
> > Against the Jazz, even veteran John Stockton succumbed
> >to the double-team,
> > turning the ball over on back-to-back possessions.
> >
> > In his latest book, "Success is a Choice," Pitino
> >writes, "You want to succeed?
> > OK, then succeed. Deserve it. How? Outwork everybody
> >in
> >sight. Sweat the
> > small stuff. Sweat the big stuff. Go the extra mile."
> >
> > Cliches? Sure, but Pitino believes this stuff.
> >Eventually, so do his players. It
> > makes him the best coach in big-time sports. Pat
> >Riley,
> >Bill Parcells, Jim Leyland
> > and Scotty Bowman all have enjoyed more than a modest
> >share of talent over
> > the years. Pitino is never satisfied.
> >
> > "If it's not broken, break it and make it better," he
> >says. "We've kept working
> > here to improve the roster. We've got a nucleus that
> >gives us flexibility and a
> > future."
> >
> > It's a mission statement he has achieved again and
> >again.
> >
> > In 1978-79, Pitino took a 10-15 Boston University team
> >and finished 17-9. In
> > 1983, BU reached the NCAA tournament for the first
> >time
> >in 24 years. After
> > two years at Providence, Pitino improved the Knicks by
> >14 games in 1988 and
> > ended a three-year playoff absence.
> >
> > "He's the best at creating chemistry," Donovan says.
> >"It's probably the most
> > underrated thing he does. He has chemistry every year.
> >He builds an atmosphere
> > where everyone believes."
> >
> > When Pitino took over at Kentucky in 1989, the
> >legendary program had been
> > leveled by NCAA sanctions. His athletic director told
> >him he'd be lucky to win
> > three or four games, but Pitino prodded the Wildcats
> >to
> >a 14-14 record --
> > perhaps his best coaching effort.
> >
> > The only time he was blessed with talent, Kentucky won
> >the NCAA
> > championship in 1996.
> >
> > Pitino's only weakness? The Celtics' president and de
> >facto general manager is
> > not a shrewd personnel man. He drafted point guard
> >Chauncey Billups with the
> > No. 3 pick in last year's draft, then traded him.
> >After
> >signing free agent Chris
> > Mills to a monster deal, Pitino traded him, too.
> >
> > Details, details.
> >
> > The impact of Pitino's craft can be seen beyond the
> >court, where he has sent
> > dozens of former players to success. Donovan is merely
> >one. At 24, he was
> > hired by Pitino as a Kentucky assistant. After five
> >more years in Pitino's frantic
> > orbit, Donovan went to Marshall, then in 1996 to
> >Florida, where he is
> > undeniably building a winner.
> >
> > Donovan's Gators are 13-13 going into Thursday night's
> >SEC Tournament game
> > against Auburn, and the prospects for next year are
> >even better. The
> > once-chubby point guard has assembled one of the
> >nation's top recruiting
> > classes. He has two McDonald's High School
> >All-Americas
> >coming next year,
> > or one fewer than the school has had in its entire
> >history.
> >
> > The critical mass in Florida's rise came Feb. 1, when
> >the Gators stunned
> > Kentucky -- Pitino's Kentucky, Donovan's Kentucky --
> >86-78 in Lexington
> > before a national television audience. It was the
> >school's first win over a ranked
> > SEC opponent on the road in a decade.
> >
> > At 7:30 the next morning, the phone rang at Donovan's
> >house. It was, of course,
> > Pitino.
> >
> > "Good job," he told Donovan. "Huge win. Hard work pays
> >off, doesn't it?"
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:36:23 +0000
> >From: Bob George <bgeorge7018@geocities.com>
> >Subject: New Trivia Questions
> >
> >New questions are up. Go get 'em!
> >
> >Red Sox --
> >http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/soxtriv.html
> >Patriots --
> >http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/patstriv.html
> >Celtics --
> >http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/celtriv.html
> >Bruins --
> >http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/brutriv.html
> >
> >
> >- --
> >Bob George
> >
> >Read Bob George's Best Of Boston Sports At
> >http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/index.html
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:28:38 -0500
> >From: "Mike Dynon" <mdynon@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: Re: Celts Triumphant: Boston 108- Washington 98
> >
> >On the plus side, KA and Barros combined for 16 assists and 0
> >turnovers.
> >That more than offset their poor shooting.
> >
> >- ----------
> >> From: Bill Cooper <wfcooper@tiac.com>
> >> Dana and Kenny combined
> >> to shoot 6-24 in this game , including 1-8 on 3's. If the 2 point
> >> guards are hitting at all the Celts could have won this game by 20+.
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:03:52 -0500 (EST)
> >From: Danny Fung Yee Lim <dlim@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
> >Subject: RE: Billups&Mercer
> >
> >Duncan, Hill, Shaq. And maybe the right combination of of the right
> >players. And that's it. Shareef is tempting but he hasn't shown the
> >ability to win. Other talented young players such as Marbury, Garnett
> >and
> >so on do not fit our team scheme. But, since none of those three trades
> >are likely to materialized, signing him is still the best option. -
> >Danny
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Friday, March 06, 1998 10:30 AM, ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu
> >>[SMTP:ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu] wrote:
> >> > Reef
> >> >
> >> > >Informal Poll:
> >> > If forced to by circumstances, which NBA player would you trade AW
> >> > straight up for next summer?
> >> > {for fun, let?s pretend -within reason- that the other trading party
> >> > would agree}.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:14:44 +0000
> >From: Bob George <bgeorge7018@geocities.com>
> >Subject: Post Game Comments
> >
> >I think they looked okay today, but they still have the same
> >flaws that don't permit them to beat the top teams in the NBA.
> >They show their immaturity often in crunch time, and they have no
> >answer for a team with a good center.
> >
> >1. Bob Cousy kept saying that "they'll go to (Reggie) Miller in
> >crunch time, maybe every other possession, or maybe every
> >possession." Disagree. Against the Celtics at this stage in
> >their development, Smits is their key man. He looked almost as
> >dominating as in their last meeting in January. When the Celts
> >get their big man, then they'll have to get in Miller's face when
> >he lauches his treys. Until then, I'm sure Larry Bird is quite
> >aware of the Celtics' weakness in the paint.
> >
> >2. I like it when the Celtics press on defense, but again,
> >against a good team like Indiana they beat it a couple of times
> >resulting in guys left alone under the basket for easy layups.
> >Can Pitino's KU press system work in the NBA? I still have
> >nightmares over what he did to UMass in 1996 (of course, Camby
> >did worse to his own team...), but the really good teams in the
> >league will figure out how to get around it. Guys who pass
> >quicker and more accurate will cause Pitino to lose a bit of
> >sleep at times.
> >
> >3. Did you see Bird leave the court with a glum look on his
> >face? He should be. He must be real upset that his team played
> >relatively sloppy at times and let Boston hang around as long as
> >it did at home. As much as the Celtics are learning to play
> >better as a team, the bitter fact remains that Indiana could have
> >won by 8-15 points if they had played better. Their shooting %
> >was just as inconsistent as the Celtics.
> >
> >4. I like the Celtics' heart, and the fact that they fought
> >every minute out there. They gave Indy a good game and ought to
> >be happy. They'll start winning games like this real soon.
> >
> >- --
> >Bob George
> >
> >Read Bob George's Best Of Boston Sports At
> >http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/index.html
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:16:25 -0500
> >From: Dan <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
> >Subject: Pacers
> >
> >I think Larry had a load in his pants when we finished with them
> >Sunday.
> >That's 2 we could have won from them this year, and without much of an
> >inside presence, including a no show from Walker, actually we were
> >doing
> >better before he came back in after the T he got. He was in Pine City
> >for
> >quite awhile. Next season I assume when we get a few more players,
> >we'll
> >kick their butt. They have an aging team. We have a young one with the
> >best
> >coach in basketball. Pitino should get coach of the year with this
> >talent.
> >Knight and DeClercq gave it the hustle but give up more points then
> >their
> >worth. Cous said the Pacers will not go deep into the playoffs, I
> >believe
> >it. Is it me or do we deserve more fouls called inside?? It's
> >incredible
> >how the hierarchy works in this league. Like politics. They had an
> >extra
> >ref for a few years now and they still suck. I know Walker's a bit
> >hyped
> >but are they baiting him a bit?
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:25:11 -0800 (PST)
> >From: Evan LaGrasse <01elagra@jasper.uor.edu>
> >Subject: RE: re Get rid of McCarty
> >
> >On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, John Lyell wrote:
> >
> >
> >> McCarty has not changed much since college. He is extremely athletic
for
> >> his size but he never has been a good shooter, and is always out of
> >> position & getting burnt on D. Could become a good sixth man but to
me
> >> just another Eric Williams, not physical enough to play the 4 , and
not a
> >> good enough outside shooter or ballhandler to play the 3.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Just another Eric Williams??? As much as I like Walter's hard-work and
> >athletiscism, Eric Williams is on a completely different level.
> >Williams
> >will score 20 ppg in this league (especially on the Nuggets) for years
> >to
> >come. In my opinion, it was stupid to let him go in the first place. If
> >the basketball gods had been looking down on us, this would be the C's
> >lineup right now:
> >
> >C Tim Duncan
> >F Antoine Walker
> >F Eric Williams
> >G Ron Mercer
> >G David Wesley
> >
> >Bench:
> >G/F Rick Fox
> >F Clarence Weatehrspoon
> >C/F Michael Cage
> >C/F Pervis Ellison
> >G Dana Barros
> >G Dee Brown
> >C Marty Conlon!!!!!
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:46:22 GMT
> >From: wfcooper@tiac.com (Bill Cooper)
> >Subject: Celts Fall Short: Indiana 104- Boston 100
> >
> > The C's played well this afternoon, and were within a point of
> >the Pacers (100-99) with a minute to go (off some very strong play
> >down the stretch from Kenny Anderson). The Celts could never quite
> >get over the hump to take the lead, and the Pacers did their usual
> >extremely good job from the free throw line. Although Kenny played
> >well down the stretch, he appeared to be favoring his injured knee,
> >especially in the 4th quarter.
> >
> > As usual (at least in the games I've seen) the Pacers starting
> >5 were marvelous. They picked the Celts defense apart at the start of
> >the game, especially finding Dale Davis for any number of easy
> >baskets. The Pacers took leads at 16-10 and 24-12. As L.B. removed
> >his starters from the court, the Pacers offensive efficiency began to
> >drop and the Celts were able to get back into the game. A three by
> >Dana Barros, that dropped through the hoop as the horn ending the
> >period sounded made the score 29-21.
> >
> > As usual (at least in the games I've seen) the Pacers backups
> >seems to be totally incompetent. The Celts opened the 2nd with a 9-2
> >run to pull to within 2 at 32-30. Bird put most of his starters in,
> >and Indy regained their equilibrium,as they pushed the lead back up to
> >49-42. But the Celts ended the quarter with a 9-2 run to take a 53-51
> >lead going into the 2nd half.
> >
> > Once again, with the starters in the Pacer's offense roared
> >into high gear. The Celts kept up for a little while, but the Pacers
> >retook the lead and were able to push it up to double digits at 83-73,
> >with about 2 minutes to go in the period. The Celts once again began
> >to come back as Bird pulled his starters as the scored the last 4 to
> >make the score 83-77 at the end of the quarter.
> >
> > The Celts continued their dominance of the Pacer's second
> >string. They outscored Indiana 11-2 at the start of the 4th to take a
> >short-lived 88-85 lead. As Bird put his starters back in, the Pacers
> >began to revive. The Pacers went on a 9-0 run (which probably won the
> >game for them). With 5:00 left in the game, the Pacers led 94-88.
> >The Celts tightened their defense, and Kenny Anderson heated up on
> >offense. Kenny scored 2 straight baskets to pull the Celts to within
> >2 (94-92, 3:43 left). The Celts got another jumper from Anderson to
> >pull to within a point at 98-97. Smits hit a hook shot and Anderson
> >came back with another driving hoop to pull the Celts to within a
> >point again at 100-99. On the next play, Miller ran off a Smits
> >screen and grabbed Smits arm on the way by dragging him into Knight.
> >The dupe.... er, mark....I mean, the ref called the foul on Travis,
> >Smits hit the free throws to put the Pacers up by 3 (102-99 .35 left).
> >Kenny finally missed a shot on the next play, Travis got the bound and
> >had a good chance to put the ball back, but missed too. The Celts
> >fouled the right guy on the next play, Dale Davis, but he hit both
> >free throws to seal the win for the Pacers. The final was 104-100.
> >
> > Once again the Celts shot a respectable .470, but allowed the
> >Pacers to shoot at a torrid .551 pace. The Celts gave up some easy
> >baskets due to the press, but they didn't get the usual return. They
> >caused 17 Pacer's turnovers, and worse committed 19 of their own. The
> >only saving grace was the Celts 20-10 dominance of the offensive
> >boards. =20
> >
> >Lineups:=20
> >Celts Anderson, Mercer, Minor, Walker, DeClercq
> >Pacers: Jackson, Miller, Mullen, D. Davis, Smits
> >
> >Players:
> >Anderson. After a couple of weak shooting games, Kenny was hitting
> >(7-13) and dishing (12 assists, 4 turnovers). He was great down the
> >stretch, scoring 9 points (out of the Celts last 12), pretty easily
> >driving on Jackson, or pulling up. The Pacers tried posting him with
> >pretty good success in the 3rd quarter.
> >
> >Walker: Toine's quietest game in a long time. He got tagged for his
> >3rd foul relatively early in the 2nd quarter (and threw a fit and got
> >called for a technical). Pitino kept him out of the last 8 minutes or
> >so for the 2nd quarter. Once again, Toine had a decent shooting
> >night (7-15) and scored 15 points and 8 boards in 27 minutes.
> >
> >Mercer: Made some good plays, but didn't get many open jumpers in the
> >game. He shot 6-13 and had 7 boards. 16 points in 43 minutes.
> >
> >DeClercq: played 35 minutes and had just 2 fouls. He played excellent
> >defense on Smits. But, he fumbled a number of passes ( especially
> >from Anderson) which led to 5 turnovers. More damaging, he probably
> >should have scored 8-10 points of those passes. he did score 12,
> >picked up 12 points and had 8 boards and 3 steals. Smits only took 7
> >shots in the game (most against Travis) and had 4 turnovers of his
> >own.
> >
> >Minor: poor shooting game at 1-6. He kept getting the ball to deep
> >under the basket, and putting up weak shots. He did have 4 boards, 5
> >points and 2 steals in 24 minutes.
> >
> >McCarty: Played with a lot of aggression, but not much judgement. He
> >was 0-3 on threes, and was 3-11 overall. He did have 4 boards and 3
> >steals in his 21 minutes.
> >
> >Barros: He was hitting his shots again tonight. He was 3-5, had 9
> >points, and 2 assists in 15 minutes. =20
> >
> >Bowen: I guess that Pitino didn't have a pressing defensive
> >assignments tonight. He played just 14 minutes and scored 8 points.
> >
> >Knight: Travis played another solid game tonight. He got 28 minutes,
> >scored 12 points, and had 6 boards (5 offensive) in 28 minutes. He
> >and DeClercq were in the game together for substantial periods of
> >time, and they played pretty well together, especially on the
> >offensive boards.
> >
> >Edney, Pervis, Jones: DNP
> >
> >Coaching: I guess Rick would have to be relatively happy about this
> >game. The only real negative I can see, is that the game was
> >definitely played at the Celtics tempo, but they didn't cause many
> >turnovers and they committed far too many of their own. Meanwhile,
> >they gave up a lot of easy baskets (Dale Davis scored 22 in the game,
> >most off of easy lay-ups). The pressure defense was an invitation to
> >the Pacers first string.
> >
> >The Celts are now 29-32 on the season. They host the Hawks this
> >Wednesday
> >
> >Bill Cooper
> >wfcooper@tiac.com
> >
> >
> >
> >=09
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:25:16 -0400
> >From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.andara.com>
> >Subject: Re: Billups&Mercer
> >
> >- -----Original Message-----
> >From: Danny Fung Yee Lim <dlim@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
> >To: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
> >Cc: 'ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu' <ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu>;
> >celtics@igtc.COM <celtics@igtc.COM>
> >Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 4:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: Billups&Mercer
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Duncan, Hill, Shaq. And maybe the right combination of of the right
> >>players. And that's it. Shareef is tempting but he hasn't shown the
> >>ability to win.
> >
> >I don't understand how the "ability to win" is relative to this.
> >Outside of
> >college, what has Hill won? Shaq hasn't yet won anything aside of
> >public
> >relations. Abdur-Rahim is a very skilled forward who has many facets
> >to his
> >game. He also has a center (Country), who though he's young, at least
> >is a
> >dependable body each night. Toine can't say he has that same luxury.
> >
> >What's with the technical foul situations lately with Toine?
> >
> >Cecil
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:48:28 -0800
> >From: John Liang <liangj@asiaonline.net>
> >Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #106
> >
> >try
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:47:29 -0800
> >From: "Long Time" <walkon@email.msn.com>
> >Subject: I met robert Parish
> >
> >hey everyone,
> >
> >I just wanted to say that I met Robert Parish this morning at the
> >Natick
> >Mall. I was in awe at first and said I wouldnt go ask for an autograph.
> >The
> >I thought..what the hell..he was real nice. I told him I was sorry to
> >bother
> >him and asked for his autograph..
> >I then said "you sure are tall." he said "yup I am.." I said thanks and
> >walked away.
> >c ya
> >Mike
> >
> >Visit the Disgruntled Ex Burger King Employee Page!
> >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2645/index.html
> >- -
> >now everybody's got advice they just keep on givin
> >Doesn't mean too much to me
> >Lots of people have to make believe their living
> >Can't decide who they should be
> > -Boston
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:26:12 -0800
> >From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
> >Subject: RE: Billups&Mercer
> >
> >> >
> >> >Duncan, Hill, Shaq. And maybe the right combination of of the right
> >> >players. And that's it. Shareef is tempting but he hasn't shown the
> >> >ability to win.
> >>
> >> I don't understand how the "ability to win" is relative to this.
Outside
> >of
> >> college, what has Hill won? Shaq hasn't yet won anything aside of
public
> >> relations. Abdur-Rahim is a very skilled forward who has many facets
to
> >his
> >> game. He also has a center (Country), who though he's young, at least
is
> >a
> >> dependable body each night. Toine can't say he has that same luxury.
> >>
> >> What's with the technical foul situations lately with Toine?
> >>
> >> Cecil
> >>
> >
> >Cecil is correct. Other than Hill at Duke with a good supporting cast,
> >
> >none of these players have shown they can "Win". As far as feasibility
> >
> >Rahim is the only one that is really feasible if the Celtics chose not
> >to
> >resign Walker. Shaq , Duncan, & Hill probably aren't going anywhere.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:21:43 -0800
> >From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
> >Subject: RE: re Get rid of McCarty
> >
> >Evan Stated:
> >
> >
> >> Just another Eric Williams??? As much as I like Walter's hard-work and
> >> athletiscism, Eric Williams is on a completely different level.
Williams
> >> will score 20 ppg in this league (especially on the Nuggets) for years
to
> >> come. In my opinion, it was stupid to let him go in the first place.
If
> >> the basketball gods had been looking down on us, this would be the C's
> >> lineup right now:
> >>
> >
> >Williams could score 20, but he could give up 30. He was a poor
> >defender
> >(not that McCarty is much better) and couldn't hit a jumper
> >consistently.
> > He was too weak for thew 4 spot, and not quick enough or a good enough
> >
> >shooter for the 3. He wanted too much for Pitino's taste.
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:48:02 +0100
> >From: Jo Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
> >Subject: Re:PeterMay
> >
> >- --------------D9253AABC2B4AF468C4247F6
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >Hi:
> >
> >In case you missed it, Peter May lobbies in the 8 March Sunday Globe
> >for
> >Andrew DeClercq to be selected to this Summer's Team USA (Dream Team).
> >I
> >reread the passage several times, convinced he must be joking. It
> >reads:
> >
> >"Ten players already have been chosen for the [World Championship]
> >tournament, which is in Athens in late July and early August. Two more
> >will be selected next month. You can be certain Tim Duncan will be one;
> >there is no legit center on the roster (Vin Baker and Chris Webber come
> >the closest). The other also will be from the NBA. Andrew DeClercq is
> >available and is only a jump shot away from being a great player ."
> >
> >Geez ! It's lame enough that he lists Vin Baker as a backup center. Can
> >anyone explain what's going on? Josh?
> >
> >IMO, DeClercq is just another stiff, try-hard, weight-room white kid
> >with average hands and no hops. He is Joe Kleine Jr.
> >
> >IMO also, the most miraculous aspect of our '97-98 Celts is that they
> >win despite having two starters (DeClercq and Minor) who might not even
> >be 12th men on about one-third of the other NBA teams. Grazie Ricardo
> >Pittino !!
> >
> >JoeHironaka
> >
> >
> >P.S. Oops, I think Joe Kleine actually played on Bob Knight's 1984
> >Olympic Gold Medal team, although so did Steve Alford...
> >
> >- --------------D9253AABC2B4AF468C4247F6
> >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> ><HTML>
> >Hi:
> >
> ><P>In case you missed it, Peter May lobbies in the 8 March Sunday Globe
> >for Andrew DeClercq to be selected to this Summer's Team USA (Dream
> >Team).
> >I reread the passage several times, convinced he must be joking. It
> >reads:
> >
> ><P>"Ten players already have been chosen for the [World Championship]
> >tournament,
> >which is in Athens in late July and early August. Two more will be
> >selected
> >next month. You can be certain Tim Duncan will be one; there is no
> >legit
> >center on the roster (Vin Baker and Chris Webber come the closest). The
> >other also will be from the NBA.<B> Andrew DeClercq is available and is
> >only a jump shot away from being a great player .</B>"<B></B>
> >
> ><P>Geez ! It's lame enough that he lists Vin Baker as a backup center.
> >Can anyone explain what's going on? Josh?
> >
> ><P>IMO, DeClercq is just another stiff, try-hard, weight-room white kid
> >with average hands and no hops. He is Joe Kleine Jr.
> >
> ><P>IMO also, the most miraculous aspect of our '97-98 Celts is that
> >they
> >win despite having two starters (DeClercq and Minor) who might not even
> >be 12th men on about one-third of the other NBA teams. Grazie
> >Ricardo
> >Pittino !!
> >
> ><P>JoeHironaka
> ><BR>
> >
> ><P>P.S. Oops, I think Joe Kleine actually played on Bob Knight's
> >1984 Olympic Gold Medal team, although so did Steve Alford...</HTML>
> >
> >- --------------D9253AABC2B4AF468C4247F6--
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:03:50 +1000
> >From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@eisa.net.au>
> >Subject: Draft Dates
> >
> >Date: 24th June
> >Lotter - May 17
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Warwick
> >- --
> >MZ?
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
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