Re: Celtic Cheerleaders....

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.andara.com>]

Ryan, as someone who responded to the cheerleader question, I must point out
the reason why I did so.

It wasn't the fact that Mr. Chin commented on wanting cheerleaders that
prompted my response, but, if memory serves me correctly, someone asked him
his age, at which point he made inflammatory remarks about "old" fans,
dinosaurs, viagra etc.

As one of those "old dinosauers" I responded but I didn't disrespect him
like he did the person who asked his age.  As a person who has taken a fair
share of heat myself on this list, I recommend a bit more care be exercised
when stating opinions.

Mr. Chin opened himself up for crtiticism when he made the above remarks,
which were not necessary in making his case IMO.  And if he has the right to
make his case, why can't those who have opposing views make theirs?

Cecil
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Lee <Ryan.Lee@parexel.com>
To: celtics@igtc.COM <celtics@igtc.COM>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Celtic Cheerleaders....


>     I temporarily took myself out of this group because it became one huge
>     anal retentive flaming ring.  By anal retentive I mean one person will
>     make an innocent comment and all of a sudden 15 people will verbally
>     attack him/her claiming they are the gods of Celtic knowledge.  Case
>     in point a Mr. Jeff Chin made a comment saying that he would like to
>     see some cheerleaders at the Fleetcenter.  Then all of a sudden the
>     Celtic "fan" committee fired back at him as if Jeff were some bumbling
>     idiot.  There was no diplomacy whatsoever in anyone's views.  Noone
>     tried to see the other person's point. That's the purpose of a
>     discussion group, to open your horizons and learn a thing or two.  All
>     I saw was, "I am right and you are not".  I didn't see one instance of
>     "you know, you may have a point".  We're not here to gang up on one
>     person's view, we're here to exchange ideas and thoughts.  Now if
>     someone came in this group and said that Bird is a total talentless
>     idiot then that would be grounds for some flaming but please,
>     cheerleaders in the Fleetcenter?
>     Get a life and stop being so anal.
>
>     Now as far as my view, cheerleaders would be a nice addition to the
>     Fleetcenter.  Oh but wait what about the tradition you ask?  Listen
>     boys, we're not in the Garden anymore.  We're in the Fleetcenter, a
>     state of the art facility made for the 90's.  The Celtics have adapted
>     to their surroundings with a faster, flashier, style of basketball.
>     Why can't there be cheerleaders in the Fleet?  Again you ask, the
>     Celts didn't need them before, why now?  The Celtics don't need
>     cheerleaders but the fans do.  The fans are different now then they
>     were in the 80's.  The 80's Celtics fans were like the Chicago fans of
>     today.  They were proud, vicious, and fierce at every game and they
>     usually almost went to every game because everyone wanted to see Bird
>     play no matter who the opponent was.  Nowadays you can spot a few
>     yuppie fans bringing laptops with them to the game having a business
>     meeting during the game.  Don't tell me you don't see them, go to a
>     less populated game like a Raptors or Grizzlies one and you can see
>     them with their cell phones and briefcases.  You would never find
>     those types of people in the stands at the Garden because it was too
>     packed and too loud to do that kind of stuff.  Even with the revamped
>     Celts I'd say almost half the games are not sold out because they
>     aren't against ranked opponents like Chicago or LA.  You would never
>     find that in the 80's.  Even against the Bucks or the Nuggets you
>     would find the Garden close to full.  A Raptors game?  Please, the
>     stand might be 60% full for a game like that.  The times have changed
>     and if bringing in cheerleaders attracts a few more fans to the games,
>     then so be it.  Don't look back, look forward.
>
>     That's my two cents.
>
>     R
>
>     PS Don't litter my account with flames, I don't take it too kindly and
>     I can hang with the best of them on internet flaming.  Ask Greg O. in
>     the group, he'll tell ya.
>