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Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #202
kiss my ass! we are the CELTICS, we do not need a f##### new logo!At 02:12
AM 6/25/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Tuesday, June 24 1997 Volume 04 : Number 202
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> Re: trade and draft
> Re: Bad Mouthing Dino
> small centers
> Day Before the Darft
> Blessing in Disguise
> Dino on the way to Philly
> Dino's in Philly!!
> Draft and stuff...
> dino is gone
> Ervin Johnson
> RE: Draft and stuff...
> ESPN reports that Dino reports!!
> ESPN reports that Dino reports!!
> New Logo?
> Fox & Wesley
> Re: New Logo?
> Re: Dino MIA -Reply
> RE: Draft and stuff...
> Re: Draft and stuff...
> Re: RE: Draft and stuff...
> Re: New Logo?
> Re: New Logo?
> Re: Draft and stuff...
> Re: Dino MIA
> #3 & #6 for Pippen?
> Re: Indiana trade
> Re: Draft and stuff...
> somebody shoot me
> Pippen
> Re: #3 & #6 for Pippen?
> Re: Draft and stuff...
> Picks for Pippen??!!!
> Re: Pippen
> Re: somebody shoot me
> Re: Day Before the Darft
> #3 and #6 for Pippen?
> Re: somebody shoot me
> Re: Picks for Pippen??!!!
> Re: New Logo?
> TNT Draft Coverage
> Trades
> Daniels
> Re: RE: Draft and stuff...
> Re: Daniels
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:37:24 -0400
>From: "Jeff Tepper" <jaytee@itasoft.com>
>Subject: Re: trade and draft
>
>- ----------
>> From: jpacuska@epix.net
>> To: Jeremy <jwarren@emerald.tufts.edu>
>> Cc: celtics@igtc.COM
>> Subject: Re: trade and draft
>> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 1997 1:27 AM
>>
>> Jeremy wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > Battie's stock is dropping because he was measured at 6' 9.5"
>at
>> > the Chicago camp. Thus he will never be a center.
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > Jeremy
>>
>> Obviously, Jeremy, you've never heard of a couple of
>> "less-than-six-foot-nine-and-a-half-inchers" named Bill Russell and Dave
>> Cowens (not to mention Wes Unseld at 6'7").
>>
>> Don't anybody try to tell me that "the players today are bigger and
>> stronger", so guys like Russell and Cowens couldn't play today.
>>
>> Baloney.
>>
>> Russ had to go against Wilt (7'2") and the Red Head had to go against
>> guys like Walt Bellamy and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
>>
>> This is NOT an endorsement for the Celts to draft Battie. I'm just
>> cautioning everyone against judging a "center" by his height.
>>
>> Joe.
>
>These are some good points that Joe made, but in Jeremy's defense i think
>that his post is still valid. People have been questioning whether or not
>Battie's body and playing style are better fit to the center or power
>forward position, and the general consensus was that ideally he's a power
>forward due mostly to his playing style. But people have been saying that
>since he is supposedly so tall, he could be a makeshift center for a team
>like us that doesn't have anyone better to play center, even though it
>would be a reach.
>
>If my thinking is the same as Jeremy's, i think that Jeremy was simply
>pointing out that he's not as tall as everyone thought he was, and this
>will make it even more of a reach to play him at center.
>
>If a player is fit to play center, then like Joe points out, they don't
>necessarily need to be 6-11 or over. But if you need to move someone who
>is ideally a power forward to the center position, I'd much rather move a
>6-11 power forward than a 6-9 power forward.
>
>Jeff
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:14:52 -0500
>From: Adam Litchy <allitchy@cland.net>
>Subject: Re: Bad Mouthing Dino
>
>Adam A Suchocki wrote:
>
>> For the record, I think Dino has screwed up by not going public and
>> either
>> showing up for the physical or stating what exactly he is doing, but
>> on
>> the other hand, his side of all of this is getting run over, and I'm a
>>
>> little annoyed at Pitino's propaganda attacks and such...
>>
>> Supposedly no one can find Dino - has anyone checked the local
>> hospitals to see if Zeljanna has checked in to one.
>
>Who says they have'nt? It is possible, and more than likely, that the
>Celtics know exactly where Dino is. That they have contacted him, and
>insisted that he attend the physical. However, they can not make him
>go. What are they going to do? Have a couple of goons drag him there?
>They really have no legal recourse until he fails to show up.
>
>> Second, in an interview several days before the trade, Dino went on
>> record
>> as saying he had been told that the Celtics would not trade him.
>
>Was it on paper? Maybe they lied to him, maybe they did'nt. Big deal.
>I know this is hard, but the reality is that basketball is a business.
>Part of the reason why players are millionaires is because their life
>can be upturned in a heart beat. When you are traded--that's it. Or
>rather that should be it.
>
>> Again, I feel Dino is screwing up big time by not at least contacting
>> Boston and Philly and talking. At the same time, I feel Pitino has
>> handled this much worse than he should have. First, if he told Dino
>> he
>> would not be traded, he should have handled the dealings with Dino
>> much
>> better (instead of publicly ridiculing the guy for being upset that
>> Pitino
>> went back on his wod. Second, he should have given Dino a chance to
>> work
>> things out (and take the physical) before launching his media attack.
>
>Once again, who is to say he hasn't tried the above, and that his
>handing this to the media is a last resort. This would make the most
>sense to me. Although we would like to think we are clued into what is
>going on with the Celtics. We would be deluding ourselves, if we think
>we really are privy to what is going on behind the scenes.
>
>All I can say is that Dino better get his ass to Philly in time. Unless
>we can void his contract completely, and get it off our cap. Ethier way
>I don't want his salary back as a Celtic.
>
>Adam Litchy
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: 24 Jun 1997 12:41:05 -0400
>From: "Jeremy Warren" <jeremy.warren@alphatech.com>
>Subject: small centers
>
>Jeremy wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Battie's stock is dropping because he was measured at 6' 9.5" at
>> the Chicago camp. Thus he will never be a center.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Jeremy
>
>Obviously, Jeremy, you've never heard of a couple of
>"less-than-six-foot-nine-and-a-half-inchers" named Bill Russell and Dave
>Cowens (not to mention Wes Unseld at 6'7").
>
>Don't anybody try to tell me that "the players today are bigger and
>stronger", so guys like Russell and Cowens couldn't play today.
>
>Baloney.
>
>Russ had to go against Wilt (7'2") and the Red Head had to go against
>guys like Walt Bellamy and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
>
>This is NOT an endorsement for the Celts to draft Battie. I'm just
>cautioning everyone against judging a "center" by his height.
>
>Joe.
>
>
>What a bunch of politically correct nonsense. Of course we should jugde a
>center by his height (among other things). There are certain minimum size
>requirements to be considered a legit NBA center these days. The fact is that
>today the average size at each position is bigger than it was 30 years ago.
>Yes Russell was small for a center, but he was Bill Russell arguably one of
>the top five players of all time. Tony Battie is 6'9.5" and 230lbs. Even if
>he gains some weight he is too small to go up against the likes of Mutumbo,
>Shaq, Smits, Muresan, Bradley, Ostertag, Longley, etc...
>
>Battie could develop into a great power forward, but he won't be a center.
>According to Pitino, Van Horn is almost an inch taller than Battie. And since
>Van Horn is much more skilled, I would rather have him. They both need to put
>on muscle anyway, so that's a non-factor between the two of them.
>
>Jeremy
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:40:47 -0600
>From: Rhett Orcutt <rhett@digitalpla.net>
>Subject: Day Before the Darft
>
>I have been reading all your comments about the draft for the last
>little bit and I think it's time to post what I have to say and get your
>opnion. Well if we have the forward position full we don't need a
>forward of any kind so that means we won't resign fox and we won't draft
>Battie or Van Horn or Thomas or trade for baker or williams right?
>Right. So what do we need? Well I think we go for guards in this draft
>so we take Daniels or Billups at the point and Mercer or McGrady for our
>off gaurd and then we try to sign a few big bodys like Garrett or Knight
>or Miller as free agents or keep some of our centers that we have right
>know and play center by commity (sp) This would give us solid players at
>all positions exept center but we would have at least 3 players to
>handle that and it would give us 18 fouls which is always good and it
>will mean we wouldn't have a player playing out of position like Walker
>at or Vin at Center. and it will give us a playoff team if they all
>jell
>
>What do you think??
>
>Celtic Pride Forever!!!
>
>Rhett
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JOzersky@aol.com
>Subject: Blessing in Disguise
>
>If, as it appears, Dino has blown the trade, he will probably retire and go
>play in europe. I don't see how David Stern could force us to take him back.
> If you start letting players void trades, then nobody but the Knicks and
>Lakers are ever gonna get players. So this might mean our getting five
>million dollars to play with right now and up front. Think about it.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:16:31 -0500 (EST)
>From: MANLEY@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
>Subject: Dino on the way to Philly
>
>According to WEEI, Pitino has announced that Dino is now on his way to
Philly and he expects the 5:00 deadline to be extended.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:32:03 -0400
>From: "Jan Crocker" <jan@netgworld.com>
>Subject: Dino's in Philly!!
>
>Both Ch 56 & WEEI here in Boston are reporting that Dino is in Philadelphia
>were he will take his physical. Pitino said that the deadline will probably
>be extended until late tomorrow morning to allow the results of the physical
>to be looked at carefully.
>
>I just hope he doesn't show up on crutches!!!
>
>JC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:42:29 -0700
>From: casey soulies <corndog@rcip.com>
>Subject: Draft and stuff...
>
>>From: casey soulies <corndog@rcip.com>
>>
>> I am hoping that Philly takes Van Horn with the 2nd pick, because we
>really need a point guard not more offensive minded forwards. If we take
>Van Horn we will 5 guys at the position (walker, williams, weatherspoon,
>cage, and now Van Horn) this would not help our needful areas. If we take
>Billups at three and steal Mercer at 6 then we are set to get things going.
> With our 1 - 3 spots sured up this coming off-season we could (after spoon
>and cage are let go) we could use some of that money to sign one of the
>many talented Powerforwards of the free-agent crop (smith, McDyess, ect...)
>or wait another year and sign Baker away from the Bucks. Either way the
>draft and our future weighs heavily on the 2nd overall selection by philly...
>
>Agree or disagree???
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:42:54 -0400 (EDT)
>From: aquaman <skwon@oitunix.oit.umass.edu>
>Subject: dino is gone
>
>any way you put it... dino is gone.
>
> if he passes or shows up for that physical.... he's gone... if he
>doesn't... do you think he'll want to come back to boston? i don't know
>if rick is a dog house kind of coach but just look at that rhodes kid who
>played for him at ku... if that's the case dino won't even have to where his
>uni if he plays in boston again. i think he's going to go to europe or if
>he's back will negotiate out of his contract and test the market... dino's
>career is over here and i have to say... i'm relieved. i know looks can
>never tell very much... but the guy seems lazy, out of shape, a little
>overweight, without any muscle tone on his body... the guy has talent...
>but talent never means a thing if you're a lazy butt.
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
> Steve O. Kwon
> A real man says, "I can't go on..." and then keeps on going.
> Basking in the Sunshine... waiting for the moonshine =)
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:11:37 -0400
>From: Kirke Olson <k_olson@conknet.com>
>Subject: Ervin Johnson
>
>Here's a quick note on Ervin Johnson:
>
>He makes 1.6 million this year not 5 million. Does his contract
>fluctuate? He would make a good acquisition if we don't trade the farm
>for him.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:16:00 -0500
>From: curtiss@wpta.com
>Subject: RE: Draft and stuff...
>
>Agree ... I have mixed feelings about Van Horn, but I would definitely be
>happy to get Billups. I also feel that if we have a shot at Battie, we
>should pass on him. If he is truly under 6'10, he doesn't fit our needs.
> We have plenty of good forwards (it's the only spot where we are not one of
>the worst in the league). I'm hoping for Billups with the 3, and I still
>like McGrady with the 6.
>
>
>
> Curtis Smith
>
> ----------
>From: corndog@rcip.com
>To: CURTISS; celtics@igtc.COM
>Subject: Draft and stuff...
>Date: Tuesday, June 24, 1997 12:42PM
>
>>From: casey soulies <corndog@rcip.com>
>>
>> I am hoping that Philly takes Van Horn with the 2nd pick, because we
>really need a point guard not more offensive minded forwards. If we take
>Van Horn we will 5 guys at the position (walker, williams, weatherspoon,
>cage, and now Van Horn) this would not help our needful areas. If we take
>Billups at three and steal Mercer at 6 then we are set to get things going.
> With our 1 - 3 spots sured up this coming off-season we could (after spoon
>and cage are let go) we could use some of that money to sign one of the
>many talented Powerforwards of the free-agent crop (smith, McDyess, ect...)
>or wait another year and sign Baker away from the Bucks. Either way the
>draft and our future weighs heavily on the 2nd overall selection by
>philly...
>
>Agree or disagree???
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 17:36:16 -0700
>From: Tony Pinto <bagaco@worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: ESPN reports that Dino reports!!
>
>news:33B0375B.3254@imap1.asu.edu
>tom <tthecatDIESPAMDIE@imap1.asu.edu> wrote:
>>According to ESPNEWS, Dino just barely made the deadline in Philly for
>>the physical. No word yet on whether he passed. Guess his agent reads
>>this NG and realized he could be out a sizeable amount of money.
>>
>>tthecat
>>
>>remove DIESPAMDIE to reply... or, don't.
>
>
>- --
>
>Finally, good news.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 17:36:46 -0700
>From: Tony Pinto <bagaco@worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: ESPN reports that Dino reports!!
>
>news:33B0375B.3254@imap1.asu.edu
>tom <tthecatDIESPAMDIE@imap1.asu.edu> wrote:
>>According to ESPNEWS, Dino just barely made the deadline in Philly for
>>the physical. No word yet on whether he passed. Guess his agent reads
>>this NG and realized he could be out a sizeable amount of money.
>>
>>tthecat
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:45:47 -0400
>From: Phe Meas <pmeas@user1.channel1.com>
>Subject: New Logo?
>
>I just saw Philly's and the Nets' new logo and I think it would be a
>great idea if the C's get a new one. Not a totally new one, but one with
>a more modern look. (Like the N.E. Patriots - they changed the patriot
>guy, but it is still a picture of a patriot)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:12:28 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Mafiaso@aol.com
>Subject: Fox & Wesley
>
>Has anyone thought about the reason that Boston hasn't attempted to resign
>Fox or Wesley yet could be because of the salary cap. If Boston waits until
>they sign their draft picks (if we use them), then signs them without any
>salary cap problems then Fox and/or Wesley could be resigned under the Larry
>Bird rule. If I'm wrong about this please let me know. But this could be a
>possibility and Rick may have already discussed this with Fox and/or Wesley.
>
>Mafiaso
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:34:14 -0500
>From: Jonathan Haigh <jhaigh@landdesign.com>
>Subject: Re: New Logo?
>
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>Phe Meas wrote:
>
>> I just saw Philly's and the Nets' new logo and I think it would be a
>> great idea if the C's get a new one. Not a totally new one, but one
>> with
>> a more modern look. (Like the N.E. Patriots - they changed the patriot
>>
>> guy, but it is still a picture of a patriot)
>
> We shouldn't even honor this with a response, and I'm sure bands of
>people are gathering in Boston as I speak for the public stoning.
>
>Rick - if you are out there - PLEASE don't change the uni's!!!!
>Remember - Rick had the uniforms at Kentucky changed to something
>trimmed in denim (DENIM!) with denim-trimmed shoes (DENIM!)
>
>The design is classic, and one of the most recagnizable in team
>sports.... changing or even "updating" it would be a disgrace.
>
>that's all I have to say about that.
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Mafiaso@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Dino MIA -Reply
>
>According to ESPN, Dino arrived 30 minutes before the deadline to Philly's
>headquarters.
>
>Mafiaso
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:57:00 PDT
>From: Matthew Booker ext9156 <mbooker@tyndall.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Draft and stuff...
>
>I agree. But I just don't think Mercer will fall to 6. I can't believe the
>mock draft with Mercer at 9 They have to be kidding! Or they are Pitino
>disciples.
>
>Matt
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:17:51 +0100
>From: "Jeff Tepper" <jaytee@itasoft.com>
>Subject: Re: Draft and stuff...
>
>- ----------
>> From: Matthew Booker ext9156 <mbooker@tyndall.com.au>
>> To: celtics <celtics@igtc.COM>; casey soulies <corndog@rcip.com>
>> Subject: RE: Draft and stuff...
>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 1997 4:57 PM
>>
>>
>> I agree. But I just don't think Mercer will fall to 6. I can't believe
>the
>> mock draft with Mercer at 9 They have to be kidding! Or they are Pitino
>> disciples.
>>
>> Matt
>
>I think Mercer will be there at 6 but we won't take him. His stock has
>been falling, partly because some teams question whether he has enough
>moves beat someone off the dribble, and partly because the general
>consensus needs of this draft are point guards and big bodies, neither of
>which Mercer is.
>
>Jeff
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: 24 Jun 97 17:07:35 -0700
>From: "SKMISHRA.US.ORACLE.COM" <SKMISHRA@us.oracle.com>
>Subject: Re: RE: Draft and stuff...
>
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>> I agree. But I just don't think Mercer will fall to 6. I can't believe the
>> mock draft with Mercer at 9 They have to be kidding! Or they are Pitino
>> disciples.
>
>> Matt
>
>What can you say, right now everybody has Duncan, Battie, Van Horn, Billups
>and Daniels going before Mercer. - Mishra
>
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>Date: 25 Jun 97 08:57:00
>From:"Matthew Booker ext9156 <mbooker@tyndall.com.au>"
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>Subject:RE: Draft and stuff...
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>
>I agree. But I just don't think Mercer will fall to 6. I can't believe the
>mock draft with Mercer at 9 They have to be kidding! Or they are Pitino
>disciples.
>
>Matt
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:21:05 -0400
>From: Phe Meas <pmeas@user1.channel1.com>
>Subject: Re: New Logo?
>
>I was watching the TNT PreDraft show today and I saw something that
>concerns me. Pete Vecsey (How do you spell it?) said that a big trade on
>the table between Boston and Chicago may go thru. It involves Scottie
>Pippen and the two Boston draft picks. Afterwards, they had someone
>interview Pitino. When asked about Scottie Pippen, Pitino said "no
>comment". When asked about others.......Shawn Kemp, Baker, etc....He
>said it isn't happening.
>
>How old is Pippen? I know he is good, but doesn't the C's need two good
>young players more than a proven veteren?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:22:46 -0400
>From: Phe Meas <pmeas@user1.channel1.com>
>Subject: Re: New Logo?
>
>> We shouldn't even honor this with a response, and I'm sure bands of
>>
>> people are gathering in Boston as I speak for the public stoning.
>>
>> Rick - if you are out there - PLEASE don't change the uni's!!!!
>> Remember - Rick had the uniforms at Kentucky changed to something
>> trimmed in denim (DENIM!) with denim-trimmed shoes (DENIM!)
>>
>> The design is classic, and one of the most recagnizable in team
>> sports.... changing or even "updating" it would be a disgrace.
>>
>> that's all I have to say about that.
>
>Change is inevitable my friend. Sometimes you just have to move on.....
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:33:47 +0100
>From: "Jeff Tepper" <jaytee@itasoft.com>
>Subject: Re: Draft and stuff...
>
>- ----------
>> From: casey soulies <corndog@rcip.com>
>> To: celtics@igtc.COM
>> Subject: Draft and stuff...
>> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 1997 8:42 PM
>>
>> >From: casey soulies <corndog@rcip.com>
>> >
>> > I am hoping that Philly takes Van Horn with the 2nd pick, because we
>> really need a point guard not more offensive minded forwards. If we take
>> Van Horn we will 5 guys at the position (walker, williams, weatherspoon,
>> cage, and now Van Horn) this would not help our needful areas. If we
>take
>> Billups at three and steal Mercer at 6 then we are set to get things
>going.
>> With our 1 - 3 spots sured up this coming off-season we could (after
>spoon
>> and cage are let go) we could use some of that money to sign one of the
>> many talented Powerforwards of the free-agent crop (smith, McDyess,
>ect...)
>> or wait another year and sign Baker away from the Bucks. Either way the
>> draft and our future weighs heavily on the 2nd overall selection by
>philly...
>>
>> Agree or disagree???
>
>I disagree. Don't consider Spoon and Cage when you look at who we will
>draft, because they are just here as a result of the salary cap dump. Cage
>is certainly not part of the long term plans for this team, and i'm
>guessing that Spoon isn't either. Pitino said in the press conference
>monday that the outcome of the Dino situation (whether or not the trade
>went through) had no impact on who he will draft.
>
>My gut feeling is that he will go with Van Horn at 3 unless he trades the
>pick. Van Horn is thought of by many of the experts to be the second best
>player in the draft, and a player who Philly would love to take except for
>the fact that he doesn't want to play for them. Plus, Pitino has been
>saying things about Van Horn that sound to me like he's defending him.
>He's assured us all that Van Horn is not another Michael Smith when that
>rumor was hot, and he's assured us that he's 6-10 1/4 in stocking feet when
>people were saying he's closer to 6-9. If Philly lays off Billups then
>he's my second choice for this pick.
>
>Unless there's a major surprise, Mercer will be there at 6 but i don't
>think we'll take him. I think that it will be McGrady because of his
>potential. Mercer would be my second choice for this pick, however,
>because i don't think Pitino likes Tim Thomas or Foyle very much.
>
>Jeff
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:42:16 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Georgek27@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Dino MIA
>
>Dino reported and is undergoing his physical - now let's pray he passes!
>
>George
>
>
>
>"You mean now I gotta start thinking about the Celtics again?" -- Charles
>Barkley
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:46:19 -0500 (CDT)
>From: dhughes@unlinfo.unl.edu (Dave Hughes)
>Subject: #3 & #6 for Pippen?
>
>CNN/SI is reporting that Pitino is offering the #3 and #6 picks for
>Scottie Pippen. I wonder if it is true, and if "the Jerrys" will
>bite.
>
>Dave Hughes
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:03:18 -0700
>From: "JLyell" <jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: Indiana trade
>
>> Just read in an article in the New York Daily News , that Bird wants Van
>> Horn & wants to trade Antonio Davis and #12 for Celtics #3.
>
>We should consider this, but we need to make some best offers at McDyess &
>Baker and Tell them first one that accepts. Why wouldn't Denver accept the
>3 for Mcdyess and end up with the 3 & 5 Battie & Daniels ?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 10:48:00 PDT
>From: Matthew Booker ext9156 <mbooker@tyndall.com.au>
>Subject: Re: Draft and stuff...
>
>Who would you choose at 6 between McGrady and Mercer?
>Who do you think Pitino will choose?
>
>Matt
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JOzersky@aol.com
>Subject: somebody shoot me
>
>somebody shoot me. please. if after all this we trade away our future for a
>ten year veteran, I am going to give up on the celtics for good. every pray
>this doesn't happen, seriously
>
>josh
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:10:00 -0500
>From: curtiss@wpta.com
>Subject: Pippen
>
>I'm sure many of you just heard the news on TNT's draft special .... they
>made it sound like an almost sure thing that Pippen would come to the Celts
>for both first round picks.
>
>How does everyone feel about Pippen in green ... I must admit, I've always
>thought he was overrated and that he would not appear to be so great without
>Jordan. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Curtis Smith
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:20:42 -0700
>From: "JLyell" <jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: #3 & #6 for Pippen?
>
>>
>> CNN/SI is reporting that Pitino is offering the #3 and #6 picks for
>Scottie Pippen. I wonder if it is true, and if "the Jerrys" will
>> bite.
>>
>> Dave Hughes
>
>We don't need Pippen for 2 years, we need to rebuild for the future. I
>heard Pippen to Golden State for Joe Smith or Philly for Stackhouse.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
>From: alexcap@odyssee.net (Alex Caporicci)
>Subject: Re: Draft and stuff...
>
>>Who would you choose at 6 between McGrady and Mercer?
>
>I would strongly consider taking Mercer with the #3 pick.
>
>
>>Who do you think Pitino will choose?
>
>
>I'm hoping Mercer. I saw quite a few games of Mercer's this year, and I
>can't believe how his stock has dropped so much. He's going to be a very
>good player in this league, and even if he won't be as talented as Grant
>Hill, he'll be right up there with him. I think Pitino has tricked most of
>the NBA to believe that Mercer is no good. Pitino wants him, but would
>rather get another good player with the #3 and still have Mercer available
>with the #6. Here's my mock draft for the top 6:
>
>SA- Duncan
>Phi- Chauncey Billups
>Bos- Tony Battie
>Van- Antonio Daniels
>Den- Keith Van Horn
>Bos- Ron Mercer
>
>
>If you happen to care about Toronto.. they want Cato.. and want him very
>badly. If he's available, they will draft him. If not, then McGrady, if
>available. Lastly, if Mercer is available, they will take him.
>
>
>Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>Alex Caporicci
>alexcap@odyssee.net
>- -------------------
>Editor - The Sports Report
>http://www.odyssee.net/~alexcap/sportsreport/
>
>The Sports Report is a must read for all sports fans. Informative and
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>the Week, Question of the Week and Site of the Week
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:32:15 +0800
>From: Jaime <jaims@philonline.com.ph>
>Subject: Picks for Pippen??!!!
>
>I really hope this is just a freakin' rumor. I'd really hate Pitino if
>he'd really do this. I thought we are goin to move towards the future.
>But in this case it would be the opposite. Long term thinkin should
>prevail over short term. Man, this is getting me so angry. We didn't
>pay him to just give up the future for a stellar player but has only a
>few years left! Shit!!! Come on RP, you can do better than that!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:29:23 -0500
>From: S Farrell <sfarrell@dixie-net.com>
>Subject: Re: Pippen
>
>> made it sound like an almost sure thing that Pippen would come to the Celts
>> for both first round picks.
>>
>> How does everyone feel about Pippen in green ... I must admit, I've always
>> thought he was overrated and that he would not appear to be so great without
>> Jordan. Thoughts?
>>
>Pippen is not as good as Jordan. He is, however, an all-star player who
>brings points, rebounding, good passing, and the ability to press. He
>also brings championship experience, which no one on the current roster
>has. He could be a positive addition to the squad. In addition, this
>would break up the bulls' dominance!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:32:47 -0700 (PDT)
>From: alexcap@odyssee.net (Alex Caporicci)
>Subject: Re: somebody shoot me
>
>>somebody shoot me. please. if after all this we trade away our future for a
>>ten year veteran, I am going to give up on the celtics for good. every pray
>>this doesn't happen, seriously
>>
>>josh
>
>
>I hope this doesn't happen. Baker trade involved with one or both of the
>picks, I wouldn't mind. I really like Baker. But, Pippen? WHY? We won't win
>a championship this year, and Pippen might leave after this season. We'll be
>left with hardly any extra cap room and seriously, its just plain dumb. If
>thats the only thing we do..
>
> But what if Pitino has a plan? Pippen, a possible deal for Baker, and a
>shot this year? Re-Sign Wesley, Fox? i don't think that will help. If Pitino
>makes this deal, its because he wants to win this year.. Which is VERY
>unlikely with this team.
>
>but I think its a viscious rumour, that should not happen.. Or at least I
>hope so..
>
>
>NOW I WISH I HAD A DISH!!
>
>
>Alex
>
>
>Alex Caporicci
>alexcap@odyssee.net
>- -------------------
>Editor - The Sports Report
>http://www.odyssee.net/~alexcap/sportsreport/
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:35:32 -0700
>From: "JLyell" <jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: Day Before the Darft
>
>- ----------
>> Well if we have the forward position full we don't need a
>> forward of any kind so that means we won't resign fox and we won't draft
>Battie or Van Horn or Thomas or trade for baker or williams right? Right.
>So what do we need? Well I think we go for guards in this draft so we take
>Daniels or Billups at the point and Mercer or McGrady for our
>> off gaurd and then we try to sign a few big bodys like Garrett or Knight
>or Miller as free agents or keep some of our centers that we have right
>know and play center by commity (sp) This would give us solid players at
>all positions exept center but we would have at least 3 players to handle
>that and it would give us 18 fouls which is always good and it will mean we
>wouldn't have a player playing out of position like Walker
>> at or Vin at Center. and it will give us a playoff team if they all
>> jell
>>
>> What do you think??
>
>
>
>I think Pitino is leaning toward Van Horn & Mercer or Mcgrady, but we could
>see a big trade for McDyess or Baker.
>
>I heard the Lakers were offered #4 for Van Exel ?
>
>It make sense not to sign wesley & Fox until we sign other since we can go
>over the cap to resign our own players, a mistake that Miami made by
>re-signing Mourning before Juwan Howard.
>
>With Williams & Spoon at the 3 one will be moved I believe, possibly to
>Jersey for Jayson Williams. It would be nice to get Baker for Williams &
>Williams, they we can go out and get Van Horn a 3 that can shoot the 3, &
>Mercer or McGrady, Someone like Eisley or Declerq & then resign Wesley &
>Fox at a decent price.
>
>Baker McDyess ?
>Walker
>Van Horn ? Fox
>Mercer McGrady ?
>Eisley Wesley
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Celtic Pride Forever!!!
>>
>> Rhett
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:38:37 EST
>From: Mike Lutton <luttonm@kenyon.edu>
>Subject: #3 and #6 for Pippen?
>
> Although many people in the NBA love Pippen, I personally
>don't think he is everything everyone makes him out to be. Pippen
>is a great Spot-up shooter and Roleplayer for a championship team,
>but without Jordan running the show, I don't think Scottie is all-star
>callibre. First, look back when the Bulls were without Jordan during
>his retirement years. During that time, Pippen was a leader on the
>team, but his number's were in no way comparable to Jordans when he
>led the team before and after his retirement. Secondly, Scottie had
>a strong showing during the finals, but without Jordan scoring 30's
>every night, they would never have had a chance. Thirdly, during
>the finals, Scottie was at times covered by Hornecek and during these
>pocessions, he was not impressive when trying to post him up on the
>blocks. Personally, I see Pippen aat the offensive end as a more
>refined Dale Ellis -- a perimeter shooter without little post game. On
>the defensive end, he is *very* good.
> I'd have to question the reasoning for this trade since Pippen
>is so old. Yet, if we trade for Pippen, I see the Celtics being involved
>in some more trades since Williams, Minor, and Weatherspoon are all
>small forwards also. This trade would also most likely mean that Fox
>isn't coming back next year. If this trade goes through and we are lucky,
>maybe we can pull out a quality PG or C from another trade for Williams,
>Minor, or Weatherspoon.
>
>
>- -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Lutton Other Accounts
>
> Computer Science Major Luttonm@Kenyon.edu
> DePauw University
> JLUTTON@DEPAUW.EDU
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:38:27 -0700
>From: "JLyell" <jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: somebody shoot me
>
>> somebody shoot me. please. if after all this we trade away our future
>for a
>> ten year veteran, I am going to give up on the celtics for good. every
>pray
>> this doesn't happen, seriously
>>
>> josh
>
>I agree why would we want to trade the 2 picks and our future for a guy who
>has been injury prone and may be gone in 2 years this would be a fiasco.
>Lets not go for the quick fix !!!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:39:38 -0700
>From: "JLyell" <jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: Picks for Pippen??!!!
>
>>
>> I really hope this is just a freakin' rumor. I'd really hate Pitino if
>> he'd really do this. I thought we are goin to move towards the future.
>> But in this case it would be the opposite. Long term thinkin should
>> prevail over short term. Man, this is getting me so angry. We didn't
>> pay him to just give up the future for a stellar player but has only a
>> few years left! Shit!!! Come on RP, you can do better than that!
>
>
>
>
>Lets overload the celtic web e-mail with a big thumbs down on this !!!!!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:41:18 -0500
>From: Darrell Hatfield <darrell@server.greencis.net>
>Subject: Re: New Logo?
>
>At 08:22 PM 6/24/97 -0400, Phe Meas wrote:
>
>>> We shouldn't even honor this with a response, and I'm sure bands of
>
>>>
>
>>> people are gathering in Boston as I speak for the public stoning.
>
>>>
>
>>> Rick - if you are out there - PLEASE don't change the uni's!!!!
>
>>> Remember - Rick had the uniforms at Kentucky changed to something
>
>>> trimmed in denim (DENIM!) with denim-trimmed shoes (DENIM!)
>
>>>
>
>>> The design is classic, and one of the most recagnizable in team
>
>>> sports.... changing or even "updating" it would be a disgrace.
>
>>>
>
>>> that's all I have to say about that.
>
>>
>
>>Change is inevitable my friend. Sometimes you just have to move on.....
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>they are switching to white shoes next year.....
>
>
>
>Darrell Hatfield
>
>darrell@greencis.net
>
><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param><bigger><bigger><bigger>Darrell
>Hatfield
>
></bigger></bigger></bigger></color><underline><color><param>ffff,0000,0000<
/param>darrell@greencis.net</color></underline>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:54:49 EST
>From: Mike Lutton <luttonm@kenyon.edu>
>Subject: TNT Draft Coverage
>
> I unfortunately couldn't get access to TNT in order to listen
> to the draft coverage. Would anyone be willing to give
> some info on what was talked about during the show?
>
>
>
>- -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Lutton Other Accounts
>
> Computer Science Major Luttonm@Kenyon.edu
> DePauw University
> JLUTTON@DEPAUW.EDU
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:55:48 -0500
>From: S Farrell <sfarrell@dixie-net.com>
>Subject: Trades
>
>When is the deadline to trade before the draft?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:57:22 -0700 (PDT)
>From: alexcap@odyssee.net (Enforcers Offices)
>Subject: Daniels
>
>If Philadelphia does go out and get Billups, would you guys consider
>drafting Daniels at #3? Is he worth it?
>
>
>Alex
>
>
>Alex Caporicci
>alexcap@odyssee.net
>- -------------------
>Editor - The Sports Report
>http://www.odyssee.net/~alexcap/sportsreport/
>
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>intelligent articles by a group of talented writers. There is also a
>lot of other features, ranging from reader participation, Athlete of
>the Week, Question of the Week and Site of the Week
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 11:25:00 PDT
>From: Matthew Booker ext9156 <mbooker@tyndall.com.au>
>Subject: Re: RE: Draft and stuff...
>
>What can you say, right now everybody has Duncan, Battie, Van Horn, Billups
>and Daniels going before Mercer. - Mishra
>
>I think either Denver or Vancouver will take Mercer. Although I hope that he
>does drop to six as I am sure that Boston would take him there ahead of
>McGrady.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:11:00 -0500
>From: S Farrell <sfarrell@dixie-net.com>
>Subject: Re: Daniels
>
>> If Philadelphia does go out and get Billups, would you guys consider
>> drafting Daniels at #3? Is he worth it?
>>
>Daniels is listed at 6'4'' and is considered by many to be a more pure
>point than Billups. He shot 54% from the field last year. This kid
>could be tremendous with a little development.
>
>------------------------------
>
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