Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #18

I recieved one share of stock from my brother for Chanukah. I agree it is
nothing more than a nice souvenir (that I definitely wanted.) My last
dividend was one dollar... Andy

On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 Celtics-Digest-Owner@igtc.com wrote:

> 
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest     Saturday, 18 January 1997     
> Volume 04 : Number 018
> 
> In this issue:
> 
> 	A couple of questions.
> 	Celtics stock
> 	Has this been posted yet? 
> 	Re: A couple of questions.
> 	(no subject)
> 	Future
> 	Salary cap yet again
> 	Celtics / Heat game
> 	Re: Future
> 	Leatner
> 	Re: Page
> 	RE: Antoine's Game
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> From: allitchy@cland.net
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:58:28 -0800
> Subject: A couple of questions.
> 
> Recently, a friend and I were discussing NBA salaries.  Does anyone know
> much money a player makes on a 10-day contract?  
> 
> Also caught some highlights of the Miami game last night.  Was the
> Walker "bounce pass" to Barros really a pass?  Or was it a lucky
> bounce?  Anyone who saw the game would know what I'm talking about.  If
> it was a pass, then I am truely impressed.
> 
> Thanks
> Adam "Draft anyone but Koul" Litchy
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: BWAREHAM@mpr.org
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:02:00 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: Celtics stock
> 
> I'm a reporter at Minnesota Public Radio examining the Minnesota Twins 
> offer of 49-percent of team to the public in exchange for stadium 
> financing.
> 
> One possibility is that the equity might be offered up as public stock, 
> similiar to the Celtics stock.  Now, I've heard from a couple folks that 
> Celtics stock makes a nice souvenier, but not a particularly good 
> investment.  Are there any financial professionals/Celtics fans out there 
> who could confirm or deny the stock's value?  Please respond privately to 
> bwareham@mpr.org
> 
> Thanks.
> Bill Wareham
> 
> 
> |  Bill Wareham		  |  Internet:  bwareham@mpr.org  |
> |                         |  Voice:  612-290-1462         |
> |  Reporter/Producer	  |  FAX:  612-290-1295           |
> |  Minnesota Public Radio |          			  |
> |  45 East 7th Street	  |    				  |
> |  St. Paul, MN  55101	  |  Reporters have no opinions.  |
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: chrisl@mjr.com (Chris Littlefield)
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 13:51:40 -0500
> Subject: Has this been posted yet? 
> 
> This may be of interest to people, and I'm sorry if it's already been posted:
> 
> THE OLDEST RIVALRY IN BASKETBALL JUST HIT THE NET!
> ==================================================
> The New York Times on the Web and Boston.com bring you a unique interactive
> site devoted to the 50 year rivalry between the Knicks and the Celtics.
> Basketball fans won't want to miss "Knicks/Celtics: One-on-One." As the
> NBA marks its 50th anniversary, these two teams - the only teams remaining
> in their original cities since the very first season - are matched up
> one-on-one on the World Wide Web. The site will feature:
> 
> - - Top moments from both teams' histories chosen by sportswriters from
>   The New York Times and The Boston Globe
> - - Interactive photo gallery of the greatest games and players
> - - 360-degree images of the Fleet Center and Madison Square Garden
> - - Chat and message boards
> - - Video clips of highlights from the teams' histories
> - - 50 years of statistics for creating your own side-by-side comparisons
> - - Interactive quizzes, crosswords and polls
> 
> Step onto the court: http://newyork.boston.com
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: ChomS@tiac.net (Steve Chomicz)
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:57:55 GMT
> Subject: Re: A couple of questions.
> 
> The bounce pass was a mistake. It hit his foot and bounced over to
> Barros. At first I thought it was a great showtime pass then in slow
> mo you see it hit his foot.  Another example of his dribbling
> deteriorating.
> 
> - -steve
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:58:28 -0800, you expressed these thoughts:
> 
> >Recently, a friend and I were discussing NBA salaries.  Does anyone know
> >much money a player makes on a 10-day contract? =20
> >
> >Also caught some highlights of the Miami game last night.  Was the
> >Walker "bounce pass" to Barros really a pass?  Or was it a lucky
> >bounce?  Anyone who saw the game would know what I'm talking about.  If
> >it was a pass, then I am truely impressed.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Adam "Draft anyone but Koul" Litchy
> >
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Boston Celtics will hang banner #17 in the FleetCenter by 2001!
> You Can't Keep A Good Leprechaun Down forever...
> http://www.tiac.net/users/ChomS/celtics.html
> 
> I've broken on through to the other side...
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: "Scott P. Krause" <spkrause@fgd.cummins.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:18:13 -0800
> Subject: (no subject)
> 
> When you guys get a chance, you have to go to www.nba.com, and vote in
> the Tournament of champions. The '86 C's are facing the '96 Bulls, and
> the final winner is announced at All-Star weekend. Vote for the C's and
> vote often! We wouldn't want to affirm national perceptions of the Bulls
> and Jordan being a better than our Celtics. Forward this to all Celtics
> fans.
> 
> Scott
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:31:07 -0500
> Subject: Future
> 
> Recently someone had a good post about the future of the Celtics and
> made the comment that ML is doing a good job.  In a bizarre way, I want
> to echo those sentiments.  I believe that exactly what the front office
> wants to happen is happening.  My guess is this:
> 
> 1.	ML will coach this year and maybe one more.  The length of time will
> depend upon the results of the draft and the progress made by DJ.
> 
> 2.	DJ is being trained by KC as the real coach.  (This initial trend
> might be disturbing.)
> 
> 3.	The hope is that we will get Duncan in the draft.  We then will have
> a good core with Wesley, Walker, Williams (this W trend might be
> disturbing) and Duncan.  Dino will be good offense and some rebounding
> off the bench.
> 
> 4.	About the time DJ will be ready to take over as coach, this team will
> be coming together.  Also, Larry will move up in the front office
> because of his relationship with DJ.
> 
> 5.	While Dana will also be good offense off the bench, and Todd Day will
> be a good 10 or 11 man on the bench, the team will still need a valid
> point guard and dependable players.
> 
> 6.	The missing ingredient is the requisite "Tough competitor" who wants
> the ball in his hands and is a leader.  Therefore, I suggest the
> following two trades which will fill all needs except for the point
> guard.  That need should be addressed with a first round draft choice.
> 
> 	A.	First, trade for Christian Lattner.  He is a leader, who you may not
> like, but can and will take and make the big shot.  He has that fearless
> attitude that the Celtics lack.
> 
> 	B.	Second, trade for Jamie Watson of Utah.  He can play the two or
> three spot, can score, can jump, and does not create problems.  Not to
> mention the fact that he can play defense.
> 
> That would give the Celtics the nine core players they need, add in a
> point guard, together with a Joe Klein--Scott Wedman type and you have a
> team that can contend for it all.  And, ML will have done his job
> exactly as it was planned.
> 
> At least, with everything that is going on, I hope the plan is something
> like this and what we see on the Court is not what is the core that we
> really want to see.
> 
> Also, with the first round picks the Celtics have, does that not make it
> difficult for us to make a trade.  I am sure that anyone who takes Dee
> Brown, or some others will only do so if they get draft picks.  Just a
> thought.
> 
> Bentz
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: lamphier@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Marc Lamphier)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:19:00 +0900
> Subject: Salary cap yet again
> 
> At 10:31 PM 97.1.17 -0500, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
> 
> >Also, with the first round picks the Celtics have, does that not make it
> >difficult for us to make a trade.  I am sure that anyone who takes Dee
> >Brown, or some others will only do so if they get draft picks.  Just a
> >thought.
> >
> >Bentz
> 
> I remember this came up before. In theory, could the Celts simply release
> Dee and swallow his salary? If they did so would his salary still count
> aginst the salary cap? If remember correctly, the answer to the latter
> question was yes -- Dee's salary would still count against the cap, thus it
> makes no sense simply releasing him. 
> 
> However, when the Knicks traded Charles Smith to the Spurs they also agreed
> to pay part of his salary. This was the incentive the Spurs needed to agree
> to the trade. My understanding is that the Knicks did this to free up room
> under the cap. This is from Peter May's column:
> 
> ********
> [Peter May, Boston Globe]
> 
> The Knicks started their overhaul by moving Charles Smith to San Antonio
> for J.R. Reid and Brad Lohaus. Smith was, like Brown, Radja and Barros,
> presumed to be untradeable because of a huge, long-term salary. The Knicks
> offered to pay Smith's salary, knowing that San Antonio, already committed
> deeply to David Robinson and Sean Elliott and not a top revenue producer,
> would welcome the move. In addition, the Spurs will not be in a position to
> get  under the salary cap for years, so Smith's salary was immaterial as
> long as they weren't paying it. That is perfectly allowable under NBA
> rules.
> 
> What could Boston do? The object is to find a team that can use a player
> you have and, if you have to get a player in return, which usually is the
> case, then make sure the new player is (a) serviceable and (b) on the final
> year of his contract.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> The Celtics could then offer one of their players, continue to pay his
> salary, and in return receive some short-term help. Impossible you say?
> That's what everyone told the Knicks when they were trying to move Smith.
> 
> ``There are teams out there willing to do just that,'' Checketts said. ``No
> one wanted Charles Smith. But we found a spot for him. But you have to be
> creative.''
> 
> And you have to have the money. The Knicks are owned by ITT. Riley has a
> budgetless basketball operation in Miami. The Celtics have the money to
> absorb such a hit, too.
> 
> *********
> 
> Have I missed something here? If you release a player and continue to pay
> his salary it still counts against the cap, but if you trade a player an
> agree to continue to pay his salary it does not count against the cap? 
> 
> Could the Celts move a few players out AND free up salary under the cap by
> agreeing to pay the salary of the traded player?
> 
> - -Marc 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Michael Jacobs <myfrog@gate.net>
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:23:35 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Celtics / Heat game
> 
> After watching the Celtics / Heat game thursday night, I came away more 
> confussed than ever. What the hell is ML Carr all about? What a loser. He 
> should be giving MAJOR minutes to Szabo and Conlon. They are the future of the 
> team, not Fox, Brown or Barros. Walker doesn't look as good as he should 
> because he's playing out of position. Szabo and Conlon both have the desire and 
> hustle to play big time. Its amazing how good they can look with such limited 
> playing time. IMO, Brett Szabo could develope into a really fine PF. If he 
> gained 40 more pounds, the #5 position could be his. Since the season is a wash 
> anyway, ML should take the opportunity to play the life out of Szabo and 
> Conlon. Also, and this is a very big point, the Celtics brass had better get 
> into gear and re-sign Wesley to a hugh contract before we lose him to another 
> team. Wesley could be the best PG since D.J. He sure was Mr. Clutch against the 
> Heat. After seeing Wesley's performance, losing to the Heat wasn't as bad.
> MJ / in FLA
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: M.J.Gill@uea.ac.uk (Matthew Gill)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:53:44 GMT
> Subject: Re: Future
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:31:07 -0500, you wrote:
> >6.	The missing ingredient is the requisite "Tough competitor" who wants
> >the ball in his hands and is a leader.  Therefore, I suggest the
> >following two trades which will fill all needs except for the point
> >guard.  That need should be addressed with a first round draft choice.
> >
> >	A.	First, trade for Christian Lattner.  He is a leader, who you may not
> >like, but can and will take and make the big shot.  He has that fearless
> >attitude that the Celtics lack.
> >
> >	B.	Second, trade for Jamie Watson of Utah.  He can play the two or
> >three spot, can score, can jump, and does not create problems.  Not to
> >mention the fact that he can play defense.
> 
> I agree that both these trade would be good, as Lattner is playing
> really well since he moved to his true position PF.  And I really like
> what I've heard of Watson, but I am wondering what we would have to
> give up to get either, I mean for Lattner Dino + someone else at
> least, of mybe Dino + a first round pick, but do we want to give this
> up?
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Mat.
> **************************************************************
> *           -----====<<<Matthew Gill>>>====-----             *
> *     Undergraduate student of Electronic Engineering        *
> *                email: M.J.Gill@uea.ac.uk                   *
> *                                                            *
> *    "As you moan you'll hear my laughter. You grow old,     *
> *       I'll grow young faster" - Gary Stinger, Reef         *
> *                                                            *
> *    Also a Wizard on the best Warhammer MUSH on the net     *
> *     Come and check it out : mud.heiwa.com   port 1222      *
> **************************************************************
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:53:15 -0600
> Subject: Leatner
> 
> I'm not sure how to spell Christian's last name.  Have never liked him,
> he was supposed to be such a hot shot, but acted like a spoiled brat in
> my observation.  However, have to admit he is playing well for the
> Hawks. Just saw a piece about the Hawks, I think it was on ESPN last
> night.  They're going great right now and doubt very much if they'd part
> with him, because he's an important part of their current success.  Just
> my opinion, but I still believe there's a Celtic Type of player and he's
> not the type.  Can't afford to be fussy I know, at this point in time,
> but I'd rather pick someone a bit less arrogant, even if we could get
> him.
> 	Dorine
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: jwt2@lehigh.edu (jwt2@lehigh.edu)
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:23:37 EST
> Subject: Re: Page
> 
> >>
> >> Forget about him...with Iverson gone he feels he needs to take over to
> >make up
> >> for all the bad shots and turnovers that Iverson was responsible for last
> >> year.  He's a sucessful college payer but right now his game is way too
> >raw
> >> for the NBA.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >
> >I remember them saying the same thing about Iverson 2 years ago.
> >
> >John
> 
> So, what's your point?  They could say the same thing about Iverson now and it
> would be true.  He's leading the league in turnovers, and the team who he's
> running the show for is the worst in the NBA.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: "Almost right is still wrong." <DANP@accint.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:16:18 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: RE: Antoine's Game
> 
> >Am I the only person who has noticed how bad Antoine is playing recently?
> 
> This is odd.  I thought he had been playing better lately.  Granted I haven't
> seen but one of two of the last half-dozen games or so, but when I saw him he
> was looking better.
> 
> 
> > None of the celtics media outlets have mentioned it.  Aside from his uneven
> >free throw shooting, he is blowing layups, putbacks, open jumpers -- even his
> >little bank shot misses the rim.  Worse stilll, he is losing his dribble
> >right and left.
> 
> Very true, but he's been doing this since day one.  To me, it hasn't suddenly
> gotten any worse.
> 
> 
> >He beats his man whenever he wants to, but he can't seem to
> >buy a basket.  What is going on?  Is it just nerves?  And what is with all
> >this weak shit Antoine is bringing to the basket, finger rolls, left handed
> >half hooks, etc.?  
> 
> I would think nerves would have worn off by now.  At this point it looks like
> the best Antoine could develop into is a Dominique Wilkins-like player.  Great
> speed, quickness, can get 7-9 boards, streaky shooter.  He takes threes but
> doesn't have the range, brings the ball up the court a lot but doesn't have
> the control.  He seems to have a nice passing touch.  To me, the defining
> moment of which way Antoine's career will blow will be in the off-season.
> Will he work on his range and ball-control or eat cheesecake a la Eric
> Williams?
> 
> He's putting up nice numbers, but they're just that - numbers.  I've never
> had the sense that has was anywhere near taking control of a game.  He
> certainly doesn't look like a franchise player, but there's no reason he 
> couldn't be a key piece to the puzzle.
> 
> There have been grumlbings about his attitude, but he seems to be taking the
> Celtics's losing situation well - I thought he'd be more discouraged by now
> but he seems to still play with a lot of hustle and enthusiasm.  He also 
> hasn't complained about playing center which is a good sign.
> 
> Yes, he's extremely young, but again, the best I can see him developing into
> is Dominique in his prime.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> *********************************************************************
> * E-mail: danp@accint.com                 10 Heritage Drive         *
> *    Fax: (617) 494-8404                  Salem, MA 01970           *
> *********************************************************************
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #18
> ****************************************************
> 
> To unsubscribe to The Boston Celtics Digest, send mail to majordomo@igtc.com
> with the following in the body of the message:
> 
> unsubscribe celtics-digest
> 
> A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
> subscribe to that instead of the digest, send the mail to majordomo@igtc.com
> with the follwing lines in the body of the message:
> 
> unsubscribe celtics-digest
> subscribe celtics
> 
> Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.igtc.com in
> /pub/pmm/celtics.
>