you can`t see the wind but you know it`s blowin`

["Helen" <elbo@xxxxxxxxx>]

It`s funny to see how you`re struggling to prove whether there IS God, or
not. Apart from what any of us may believe or think or guess, there is the
TRUTH that`s there and everywhere and it doesn`t matter at all if we believe
it or not, if we find it reasonable or childish to believe. Neither it
matters to the TRUTH how Pete Townshend sees it. But there are people here
who seem to think that believing in Pete is more reasonable than believing
in God. Whatever Pete says, it is definately NOT about atoms, and chemistry
can not move anyone to sing about love. And where does the seeker`s path
begin? And a synonym for the word "Seeker" would be "Fool" if there`s
nothing to seek for.
Anyway are you so blind that you don`t really SEE it? Can`t you look inside
yourself and see your soul that`s there. Don`t you FEEL it?And every human
heart does two things that no heart of no other living being can do: it
needs someone to worship (that is, to have FAITH IN SOMETHING BIGGER) and it
is constantly seeking for some mysterious Truth, that always slips away just
when you think you`ve found it. The problem with it is that the Truth can
not be defined. it is like a still, small voice in the wind. it is no big
phylosophy... neither is faith about being a goody-goody and being
humiliated by having to worship. Faith starts with 'liking every moment of
the day' and seeing and feeling and doing all those simple things. it`s
simply living the life. It`s impossible to explain, though.
 Just one question for those who are convinced that science is above all.
What is science trying to explain and how did it come to be? Science is
trying to define and set limitations on things yet impossible to be defined.
Science proves something but it never says how this or that thing came to
be, because it can`t do it. There`s more i`m sure. For why after soooooo
many YEARS YEARS
YEARS since the world began people keep seeking, asking and wondering?
(Don`t say it`s only because we want to escape from reality and stuff.)
You know... none of us can see the wind, but we know it`s blowin`.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Keithjmoon70@aol.com>
To: <thewho@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: You can't get women with only Science


> In a message dated 11/7/02 12:54:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> sschrade@ascpl.lib.oh.us writes:
>
> > >Theory is theory.  This is an assumption by the human mind of
> > >things unknown.
> >
> > I notice you conveniently left out the part about observation &
> > experimentation which backs the theory up (or refutes it).
> >
>
> Scott,
>
> You are right.  I'm sorry.  I meant to say that too. But it is still a
> theory.
>
> > >I appreciate the scenery, but I want to see what it is all for.
>
> >That's where religion & philosophy comes in. Nothing wrong with
> exploring that. Enjoy.
>
> Religion and philosophy are two of the biggest hindrances to seeing and
> understanding God.  I do not enjoy them much at all.
>
> >> What is love? There is no scientific handle for this.
>
> >Bullshit. That's like asking, "What is hunger?" It's a chemical re-
> sponse created in our brains. I know that doesn't conform to your
> romantic notions of "the play," but it's true nonetheless. Sorry.
>
> Not bullshit.  Hunger is a biological reaction.  Love is not biological. I
am
> not referring to the need to reproduce to sustain the species "instinct"
> here.  We are humans. You did not answer my question.
>
> >> Why is love so important? Why do we have this capacity?
>
> >Because evolution has conditioned us to keep the species going. Why
> do the other animals mate? Same reason. We're just animals, Jon.
> Just like the other animals on this planet; we humans may be more in-
> telligent, but we're animals nonetheless. No souls either. Sorry.
>
>
> See above.  We're not merely animals, Scott. I have never seen any animal
> worship anything ever. That would be a great thing to study with science.
> What animal sets up idols and worships them?  Monkeys do not do this.
> However, even in the most primitive of human societies this is practiced
> regularly.  Humans have the innate need to worship something higher than
> themselves. Think about it.
>
> No souls?  Then what left John's body when he died?  He left the building,
> but his body was still there. Animals even have souls.  The difference
> between us and the other animals is that we have a spirit.  This is the
part
> that seeks God. No animal except us was created in the image of God.  This
> makes us *vastly* different.
>
> > >There is not a love atom that I know of.
>
> >Ah...spoken just like a second grader.
>
> We could learn quite a lot from second graders.  They have open minds
>
>
> >> He (Pete) is opening us up to something more.
>
> >I don't think so. He's giving us his views but I don't think he's
> trying to "open us up." Look what happened when Tommy started laying
> down the dogma. The faithful revolted. It all collapsed. What was
> Pete saying there?
>
> Pete IS trying to open us up.  I know this because he said "Tell me now!!
> Give me an answer!!..."
>
> Tommy may have laid down the dogma, but Pete is not.  When genuine
> spirituality turns into a religious ritual or an organization, the impact
is
> gone.  It becomes an oligarchy.  Tommy was no Jesus.  Jesus is a God-man
>
>  >> Roger's part is "Be lucky, Make sure..." Quite a difference there.
>
> >Oh sure, rip on "Dumb Rog." Roger very well may be more sensible than
> Pete!! He's definitely not as wishy-washy.
>
>
> Hey at least I called him Roger and not Daltrey  ;-)
>
>
> Jon in Mi.