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Re: A Swine is a Swine and Not Even The Who Can Save Them



>First off, I'm not sure how my observation of today's youth and Who record 
>sales evolved into this, but hey, there's been worse on this list, right? 
>Thanks to those who have not been offended by my rants.  I like to think of 
>it as straight talk, so I don't worry about political correctness.  It is 
>not my intention to insult anyone.  Even the knuckleheads.  We're all 
>adults, right...?  Right...?

Shhh!!  I think there are some non-adults listening.  Ooops!!  Too late!  
But then, I guess one good rant deserves another.  (Haha.  Stepped into that 
one, didn't you?)  ;)


>No Jeff, it means that liberalism, poor parenting and offensive music is 
>responsible for the fact that teenagers today are "gross" monsters.  The 
>fact that they don't like The Who just makes them even more reprehensible.

I'm not sure "liberalism" is the word you're looking for here.  There's no 
real correspondence between political conservatism and restrained or even 
intelligent behavior.  Notice that another Bush daughter was busted the 
week, and lest the UK folks think they got off scott free, Prince William 
and his little toke were spread all over the US tabloids as well.  Both 
these families would be considered fairly conservative.

I think permissive parenting is what you're complaining about, as opposed to 
a rigid traditional upbringing.  There are points to either side.  I used to 
think that strong (rigid) control of children led to better-prepared adults, 
but then I notice that my friends who followed this approach had serious 
problems with rebellious teens, and a huge generation gap.  Those who were 
more understanding (permissive) of their children's want and needs seemed to 
manage a somewhat better transition to adulthood.

On the other hand (as we've said), children who are over-protected in 
private schools or have anything they want are often unready for the 
dreadful atmosphere of high school, or for the real dangers and 
responsibilities of life on their own.  Whatever, no upbringing is ever 
perfect, and everybody has to make the best of what they've got.


>Answer this Tree Hugger, do you believe that USA, UK and other "free"
>societies are diverse and that diversity should be encouraged?

<snip crazed political rant>

As I said above, I don't think politics really enters into it, other than 
the fact that permissive parenting is now ofen required by law, and parents 
who would prefer to be more traditional are proscribed from traditional 
methods (i.e. whacking their kids.)  Since these parents can't implement 
their preferred method, they're often at a loss as to how to deal with their 
children.


>God also created <snip> Keanu Reeves films.

Hey!  I love Keanu Reeves films!


>He also made those "precious" little monsters in his image.  Just because 
>He made them doesn't mean I have to love them.  Just like anything else, I 
>try to call it as I see it.  Your kids may be an exception, like many 
>others, but as a whole...  ah forget it.

I take it you'd like to whack them?


> >I agree with Jim here (and I'm generally a serious leftie).
>
>See Jon, you should try and emulate Keets here some.  She calls herself a 
>"serious leftie" and God bless her for not having a closed mind.

Well, I don't agree with your whole rant.  Like you said, I tend to be in 
the middle and to see both sides.


>And is it protection that motivates today's parents who let their sons 
>leave the house looking like gangbangers and their daughters leave the 
>house looking like $2.00 whores?  GOODBYE TO YOUR THUGS AND YOUR TRAMPS, I 
>say. You want to protect your daughter but you buy her new tits for her 
>junior high graduation???  You want your son to be a responsible adult 
>someday but you allow him to dress, talk and act like Ice Cube???  Have you 
>ever sat in a McDonalds when it's loaded with teenagers?  The little girls 
>have bigger chests, show more skin, and wear floozie makeup.  The boys have 
>probably had more sex by age 15 than all of us combined.  What's wrong with 
>this picture, and we ALL know of someone this applies to.

Um, didn't we hear about this in Quadrophenia?  Everybody's grandparents 
must have said this at least once.  The truth is that there are strong 
societal pressures for kids to conform to the norm of their Generation.  
They see it all over TV and at school, etc. and they have to fit in, or else 
be traumatized by ridicule.  Most parents worry about their kids, but about 
the best they can do (as we've been saying) is try to prepare the kids for 
the consequences of real life.  Trying doesn't always help, and many times 
the kids have to crash into things themselves before they learn--everybody's 
life is different, after all, and times change.


><Maybe then they will all grow up and buy Who albums ;).
>
>If it only were true... but alas, even The Who can't save them.  They are 
>doomed, and when we're old and out of the driver's seat, they will come to 
>power.  Then we are ALL doomed...

These are the folks who will be looking after us in the nursing home.  ;)  
But, by then they'll be dealing with teens of their own, and complaining 
about how awful they are.


keets

"So if you want it, you can come and take it.  But if you want it,
you gotta make it..."  Roger Daltrey



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