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To: Celtics-Digest@igtc.com <Celtics-Digest@igtc.com>
Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 10:55 PM
Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #215
>
>The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Friday, June 19 1998 Volume 05 : Number 215
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> Now that everyone has withdrawn....
> Re: Walker rumor
> Re: Walker rumor
> Re: CHEERLEADERS
> Re: Walker rumor
> Re: Pitino on Walker
> More Walker rumours
> Re: More Walker rumours
> Celtics audition five today
> Re: Pitino on Walker
> re-Re: Pitino on Walker
> Vescey on Walker
> Nowitzki Still In The Draft And The Guy The Celtics Want
> Re: Neon Keon
> Michael Holley: Celtic Work Out The Big Guys Today
> Last Call for Tix Lottery
> Lockout Less Certain?
> Hot topics
> Jackie MacMullan: Celtics One Of The Teams Pursuing Olowokandi
> 8 in a row?
> Re: Hot topics
> Top Ten Picks *Version 4*
> Draft Awards, cheerleaders
> Lottery Night Ticket Winners
> Re: Walker rumor
> An Aussie returns + Mercer
> Popeye Jones
> draft
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:50:03 EDT
>From: JThorneST@aol.com
>Subject: Now that everyone has withdrawn....
>
>The 5 players I want the Celtics to get would be(in this order)
>
>Vince Carter 6'7" 2G/WF North Carolina. So very very athletic, and can play
>both the 2 and the 3, but considering we have Mercer he would be primarily
a
>small forward and because of his athletic ability, defensive skills, and
>offensive game could be a lot like Scottie Pippen, especially if he
continues
>to work on his ball handling. Would probably have to trade up a few spots,
but
>definitely possible without a major loss of talent.
>
>Dirk Nowitze 6'11" F Germany. A all around solid forward who can handle the
>ball, shoot the outside shot, and can rebound. Quickness is ok and he is
not a
>blinder, but he could conceivably once he gets older play all 3 front court
>positions. He could slip to us at 10 or he could go as high as 3 or 4.
>
>Larry Hughes 6'5" G St Louis. A great scorer with great athletic ability
that
>could enable Mercer to move the 3 and make us ultra quick and give us more
>threats to score. He could play some point as well and make us bigger on
the
>perimeter and spell Anderson and down the line he could become a full time
>point to make Kenny expendable. Like Carter would have to trade up 3-5
spots.
>
>Robert Traylor 6'8" PF Michigan. Strictly a power forward, with a great
wide
>body who can score big time in the post. Also possesses great intangibles
and
>could be a great captain down the line for us. His weight is down to 285
and
>if he loses another 10-15 pounds he could be a great player. He could go
>anywhere from 7-10.
>
>Keon Clark 6'11" PF/C UNLV. Ok, so he has baggage, but he is also a perfec
t
>fit for us and could play either positon right away for us. If he gains
about
>15-20 pounds and gains about 15-20 pounds to get to 240 he would be an
ideal
>center for us because of his speed and quickness, his ability to play above
>the rim, and his 7'5" wingspan to block shots. He would be a great fallback
>pick for us at 10 in my opinion if we don't trade up to get one of the top
4
>guys I mentioned, or if none of the top 4 slip to us as well.
>
>Above all, they better not take Nazr Mohammed. Rashard Lewis wouldn't be a
bad
>pick if all of these guys are gone(unlikely), but he is a plan B or C type
>option for us. I'd be very surprised if we traded up, and even more
surprised
>if they traded it away entirely.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:25:46 -0500
>From: mustang@gis.net (Michael A.DiZio)
>Subject: Re: Walker rumor
>
>>Antoine Walker, Greg Minor and the #10 pick to the Toronto Raptors for
>>Doug Christie, Marcus Camby and the #4 pick. The Celtics will then
>>possibly make a second deal to the Dallas Mavericks with Doug Christie
>>going to the Mavericks with the #4 pick for either Michael Finley or
>>Samaki Walker, their #6 pick and their 2000 draft pick. If the Celtics
>>are to trade up in the draft then it is very likely that the Celtics
>>will take Robert Traylor.
>
>The people on this list know a lot more about the quality of the players in
>the collegiate ranks than I do. I hear the names, but I don't know their
>games, being pretty much an N.B.A only fan. Having said that, why would't
>Rick P take Lafrentz at #4 after the deal with the Raptors ? RP has talked
>a lot about him in the past, although the word that I hear is that his
>stock has been slipping. Maybe someone could enlighten me on that,and
>perhaps tell me a little about Traylor.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michael D.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:56:29 EDT
>From: Georgek27@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Walker rumor
>
><< >Antoine Walker, Greg Minor and the #10 pick to the Toronto Raptors for
> >Doug Christie, Marcus Camby and the #4 pick. The Celtics will then
> >possibly make a second deal to the Dallas Mavericks with Doug Christie
> >going to the Mavericks with the #4 pick for either Michael Finley or
> >Samaki Walker, their #6 pick and their 2000 draft pick. If the Celtics
> >are to trade up in the draft then it is very likely that the Celtics
> >will take Robert Traylor.
> >>
>If push came to shove and we had to trade Walker this would be an
interesting
>scenario. Seems awfully complicated tho but if we could do both and come
back
>with Camby, Finley, Traylor, and the Mav's #1 in 2000 in exchange for
Walker &
>Minor and a #10 pick it wouldn't be a bad exchange. We could possibly tie
that
>Mav pick to someone else with a high salary to clear cap space and along
with
>renouncing Popeye & Tabak = the expected higher cap still have enough to
bring
>in a defensive center (we'd have sufficient offense). Would still prefer to
>keep Walker but could live with this scenario if Walker can't be signed.
>
>George
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:07:57 PDT
>From: "Celtic Ky" <celticky33@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: CHEERLEADERS
>
>NO to cheerleaders. Its always cool to be POSITIVELY different.
>
>
>Am 26.
>
>
>
>
>
>>I vote no for cheerleaders.
>>
>>I also vote that we move back to the 'Old Gahden' !! ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>ps I'm 26
>>
>>
>>Starke R. Farrell
>>
>>
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:22:36 +1000
>From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@eisa.net.au>
>Subject: Re: Walker rumor
>
>> I love good trade rumours, and this is a pretty good one. But here's
>> something to think about: After the problems Toronto encountered with
>> David Falk client Kenny Anderson, do the Raptors
>> really want to deal with another Falk client - Antoine?
>> WC
>
>I'd have to agree, but isn't John Wallace a Falk client also?
>Warwick
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:41:52 -0500
>From: Sherry & Hart <hartleyo@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Pitino on Walker
>
>Mike Dynon wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Witch Craft <witchcraft1998@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> >As far as Walker goes, his days with the Celtics may be numbered.
>> >Whenever Il Duce makes a big pronouncement, the opposite usually occurs.
>> >And if you examine the possibility of a Vancouver - Boston
>> >deal, it's possessed of an inherent logic. Walker teamed with
>> >Reeves and Rahim, gives the Grizzlies the best frontline in
>> >basketball. Olowokandi provides the C's with the impact center they
>> >need, and having Vancouver pick up one of Boston's salary cap dregs
>> >allows the Celtics to go out and sign a quality forward via free agency,
>> >whether it's Googs, Corliss Williamson, Jason Caffey, or Player X. The
>> >C's also have the tenth pick to obtain more frontcourt help, perhaps
>> >someone like Ansu Sesay, or with luck, one of the drifting two.
>>
>> The logic of this escapes me. From Vancouver's viewpoint, they've
already
>> given a big contract to Reeves. Walker and Rahim would have to be
re-signed
>> in the same year. How could they afford it? And from Boston's
viewpoint,
>> how many times do they start over? Do you rebuild the team every year?
>> Walker should be a cornerstone, not a means to dump salary cap deadwood.
>> Also, there's apparently no one in the draft as good as Walker, so we why
>> would we trade him for a draft pick? If you dump Walker to free up cap
>> space, you can't then waste that money on signing a nobody like Corliss
>> Williamson. Even Googs, coming off an injury, may not be worth it.
>>
>> Mike Dynon
>The logic of this escapes me as well, but I have figured out that there
>are people who write absurd nonsense on this list just to stir things
>up. If they really believe what they write about trading Walker, it may
>be a legitimate idea, but why would anyone want to trade him for an
>unknown entity such as the projected 1st round pick in this years draft.
>There isn't a draft expert around that has projected a can't miss in
>this years draft. In fact this draft is considered one of the weakest in
>years. The other reason is that there are some that just want to trade
>Walker since they probably just despise his manner on the court, which I
>find a little boorish myself, but I tolerate it because I believe he
>will definitely be one of the superstars of this league within the next
>2-3 years and in that time will grow up and mature. I know this for
>sure, he comes to play hard every game and it is rare when he cheats the
>fans by taking a night off. The true C's afficionados know that in their
>grasp right now they have a good young nucleus of talent to build from,
>I am talking about Anderson, Mercer and Walker. They just have to
>continue to plug their holes and you just don't do that by trading off
>one of your young stars. If you trade one of your young stars it
>accomplishes nothing and would probably just weaken the team. I think
>that some of those Pitino wannabees don't remember when they won 5 of 6
>games they played when we got to see those 3 players playing together
>before Kenny got hurt. Pretty exciting I think. Under any circumstances
>TRADING WALKER would be a HUGE MISTAKE.
>Regards
>Hart
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:11:17 -0700
>From: "Icarus" <skmishra@sprintmail.com>
>Subject: More Walker rumours
>
>Peter Vescey in his NY Post writes:
>
>On the other hand, nobody was rooting harder for the Bulls to beat the Jazz
>than Rick Pitino. Obviously, if Jordan returns and Pippen re-ups (we're
>positive he won't accept anything less than a two-year blow-up deal), the
>Bulls won't have the financial wherewithal to seduce Antoine Walker a year
>from now when the Chicago-bred All-Star becomes a free agent.
>
>Understand this: If the Bulls don't have what it takes to pry away Walker
>from the Celtics, he'll stay put. There is no third option. It's either the
>Celtics (at roughly $15 million per; unless the salary cap rules change
this
>summer) or the Bulls at comparable money. And you can quote me.
> - Mishra
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:07:31 -0700
>From: "Art Silva" <Arsilva@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: More Walker rumours
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Icarus <skmishra@sprintmail.com>
>To: celtics@igtc.COM <celtics@igtc.COM>
>Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 12:14 AM
>Subject: More Walker rumours
>
>
>>Peter Vescey in his NY Post writes:
>>
>>On the other hand, nobody was rooting harder for the Bulls to beat the
Jazz
>>than Rick Pitino. Obviously, if Jordan returns and Pippen re-ups (we're
>>positive he won't accept anything less than a two-year blow-up deal), the
>>Bulls won't have the financial wherewithal to seduce Antoine Walker a year
>>from now when the Chicago-bred All-Star becomes a free agent.
>>
>>Understand this: If the Bulls don't have what it takes to pry away Walker
>>from the Celtics, he'll stay put. There is no third option. It's either
the
>>Celtics (at roughly $15 million per; unless the salary cap rules change
>this
>>summer) or the Bulls at comparable money. And you can quote me.
>
>
>Once again Peter Vecsey rears his ugly head. Except this time he is stating
>the obvious.
>You wouldn't be a Celtic fan if you didn't see this scenario played out.
One
>of the reasons I
>was cheering for the Bulls. I don't see the need to sign Walker now. It
>hurts the Celts too much on the free agent front. If he is signed first
>thing on July 1 then there is no money to sign anyone. Also the fact
remains
>that the CBA will be changed. Look at it this way you want to buy a car.
The
>car might go on sale in a month at a reduced price. Nobody else can buy the
>car now. Do you go ahead and buy the car now or would you wait. Sure you
>might invoke some disdain from the dealer but what can he really do. To me
>it is obvious. Walkers value will not lessen any between here and the start
>of the season anyway.
>
>Art
>the
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:58:35 -0400
>From: "Belanger,Roger" <rbelange@foxboro.com>
>Subject: Celtics audition five today
>
>Celtics audition five today as they search for big man
>By Michael Holley, Globe Staff, 06/19/98
>
>
>f the Celtics keep the 10th pick in Wednesday's NBA draft, you can be
>sure they'll select a big man. Five players who are listed as centers or
>power forwards come to town today to work out for coach Rick Pitino:
>Keon Clark, a 6-foot-10-inch forward from UNLV; Notre Dame's Pat
>Garritty, a 6-9 forward; Baylor's 6-10 Brian Skinner; 6-9 Ansu Sesay
>from Mississippi; and Rashard Lewis, a 6-10 high school center from
>Texas. Michigan's 6-8 Robert ''Tractor'' Traylor was scheduled to visit
>today but had to change his plans.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:04:34 PDT
>From: "Witch Craft" <witchcraft1998@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Pitino on Walker
>
>>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:41:52 -0500
>>From: Sherry & Hart <hartleyo@ix.netcom.com>
>>Reply-To: hartleyo@ix.netcom.com
>>To: Mike Dynon <mdynon@ix.netcom.com>
>>CC: celtics@igtc.COM
>>Subject: Re: Pitino on Walker
>>
>>Mike Dynon wrote:
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Witch Craft <witchcraft1998@hotmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >As far as Walker goes, his days with the Celtics may be numbered.
>>> >Whenever Il Duce makes a big pronouncement, the opposite usually
>occurs.
>>> >And if you examine the possibility of a Vancouver - Boston
>>> >deal, it's possessed of an inherent logic. Walker teamed with
>>> >Reeves and Rahim, gives the Grizzlies the best frontline in
>>> >basketball. Olowokandi provides the C's with the impact center they
>>> >need, and having Vancouver pick up one of Boston's salary cap dregs
>>> >allows the Celtics to go out and sign a quality forward via free
>agency,
>>> >whether it's Googs, Corliss Williamson, Jason Caffey, or Player X.
>The
>>> >C's also have the tenth pick to obtain more frontcourt help, perhaps
>>> >someone like Ansu Sesay, or with luck, one of the drifting two.
>>>
>>> The logic of this escapes me. From Vancouver's viewpoint, they've
>already
>>> given a big contract to Reeves. Walker and Rahim would have to be
>re-signed
>>> in the same year. How could they afford it? And from Boston's
>viewpoint,
>>> how many times do they start over? Do you rebuild the team every
>year?
>>> Walker should be a cornerstone, not a means to dump salary cap
>deadwood.
>>> Also, there's apparently no one in the draft as good as Walker, so we
>why
>>> would we trade him for a draft pick? If you dump Walker to free up
>cap
>>> space, you can't then waste that money on signing a nobody like
>Corliss
>>> Williamson. Even Googs, coming off an injury, may not be worth it.
>>>
>>> Mike Dynon
>>The logic of this escapes me as well, but I have figured out that there
>>are people who write absurd nonsense on this list just to stir things
>>up. If they really believe what they write about trading Walker, it may
>>be a legitimate idea, but why would anyone want to trade him for an
>>unknown entity such as the projected 1st round pick in this years
>draft.
>>There isn't a draft expert around that has projected a can't miss in
>>this years draft. In fact this draft is considered one of the weakest
>in
>>years. The other reason is that there are some that just want to trade
>>Walker since they probably just despise his manner on the court, which
>I
>>find a little boorish myself, but I tolerate it because I believe he
>>will definitely be one of the superstars of this league within the next
>>2-3 years and in that time will grow up and mature. I know this for
>>sure, he comes to play hard every game and it is rare when he cheats
>the
>>fans by taking a night off. The true C's afficionados know that in
>their
>>grasp right now they have a good young nucleus of talent to build from,
>>I am talking about Anderson, Mercer and Walker. They just have to
>>continue to plug their holes and you just don't do that by trading off
>>one of your young stars. If you trade one of your young stars it
>>accomplishes nothing and would probably just weaken the team. I think
>>that some of those Pitino wannabees don't remember when they won 5 of 6
>>games they played when we got to see those 3 players playing together
>>before Kenny got hurt. Pretty exciting I think. Under any circumstances
>>TRADING WALKER would be a HUGE MISTAKE.
>>Regards
>>Hart
>
>
>Apparently there are people on this list with a limited scope of
>comprehension. Let's see, the C's move Walker and one of their salary
>cap dregs and pick up Olowokandi, whom most people consider will be
>one of the top five or ten centers in the NBA. And with the added
>salary cap space, the C's can then go out and acquire a quality
>forward, whether it's Googs, Williamson, Caffey, etc. Sounds pretty
>good to me. Not that the trade would ever happen. I'm sure David
>Falk would put the kibosh on Antoine ending up with a Canadian team,
>and the salary cap difficulties of signing both Rahim and Walker make
>the deal unfeasible.
>WC
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:21:43 -0400
>From: Dan Forant <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>Subject: re-Re: Pitino on Walker
>
>If Walker goes, cheerleaders may be all you have to look at. Pencil me in
>for Walker.
>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:17:10 -0700
>>From: "Icarus" <skmishra@sprintmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: Pitino on Walker
>>
>>Amen! With Walker gone, cheerleaders become all the more important. Pencil
>>me in for the cheerleaders. - Mishra
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Josh Ozersky <josh_ozersky@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Vescey on Walker
>
>The following is not from Jersey Red, ESPN International, or talk
>radio. Here is Peter Vescey, the most authoritative insider in pro
>basketball:
>
>On the other hand, nobody was rooting harder for the Bulls to beat the
>Jazz than Rick Pitino. Obviously, if Jordan returns and Pippen re-ups
>(we're positive he won't accept anything less than a two-year blow-up
>deal), the Bulls won't have the financial wherewithal to seduce
>Antoine Walker a year from now when the Chicago-bred All-Star becomes
>a free agent.
>
>Understand this: If the Bulls don't have what it takes to pry away
>Walker from the Celtics, he'll stay put. There is no third option.
>It's either the Celtics (at roughly $15 million per; unless the salary
>cap rules change this summer) or the Bulls at comparable money. And
>you can quote me.
>
>Back to Josh: trading walker now would be criminal. If you can't pay
>him Garnett money, and he won't take less, then you have to trade him,
>but wouldn't it be insane to trade him, and then hammer out a CBA with
>some kind of franchise player rule that would have allowed you to keep
>him at a reasonable sum? Just asking.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:48:19 -0400
>From: wayray@ix.netcom.com (Way Of The Ray)
>Subject: Nowitzki Still In The Draft And The Guy The Celtics Want
>
>Since Dirk Nowitzki hasn't withdrawn his name from the draft, and the
deadline
>has passed (at least I think it's passed) for undergraduates and twenty-one
and
>under foreign players to withdraw, then Mr. Nowitzki is obviously eligible
to
>be drafted by ye local green team. And Nowitzki is the guy the Celtics
badly
>want, if you believe Pitino co-conspirator Jersey Red. On the Score -- 790
AM
>- -- in Providence earlier this week, Mr. Red said the Celtics want the guy
>Dallas is going to take at sixth. And unless every Tom, Dick, and Harry
are
>mistaken, the Mavericks are expected to choose Dirk. The only way, the C's
can
>make a play for the Germanic Tom Chambers, is to deal Voodoo Child -
Antoine
>and move up in the lottery past the Mavs. Oh well, maybe "Reefer Madness"
Keon
>Clark will behave himself and turn into a productive hoopster.
>
>WC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:50:59 -0400
>From: JOSH FARBER <joshfarber@home.com>
>Subject: Re: Neon Keon
>
>I hope the Celtics get Keon too.
>I think he'd be a perfect fit.
>He'd even be able to fill in a little for the center spot!
> Josh
>
>Jesse Haley wrote:
>>
>> Great Piece on Keon Clarke on the CNN/SI website. It's in the "This
Week's Issue" section under NBA notes. I'm pulling for the Celtics to take
this guy. I can see him fitting well in Pitino's system because he can run
and jump like nobody's business. Him and McCarty would be like the
rubber-band brothers out there.He definately has some warts but I'm not
electing him to office, I just want him to play power forward.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:10:53 -0400
>From: wayray@ix.netcom.com (Way Of The Ray)
>Subject: Michael Holley: Celtic Work Out The Big Guys Today
>
>Here's what Michael Holley said in today's Boston Globe:
>
>"If the Celtics keep the 10th pick in Wednesday's draft, you can be sure
>they'll select a big man. Five players who are listed as centers or power
>forwards come to town today to work out for coach Rick Pitino:
>Keon Clark, a 6-foot-10-inch forward from UNLV; Notre Dame's Pat Garrity,
>a 6-9 forward; Baylor's 6-10 Brian Skinner; 6-9 Ansu Sesay from
Mississippi;
>and Rashard Lewis, a 6-10 high school center from Texas. Michigan's 6-8
Robert
>Traylor was scheduled to visit today but had to change his plans."
>
>In other news, Celtics icon Bob Cousy will be 70 on August 9th.
>WC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:33:50 -0400
>From: "Jan Crocker" <jan@netgworld.com>
>Subject: Last Call for Tix Lottery
>
>OK it's Friday and last call for anyone interested in the 3 pairs of
>lottery night tickets.....
>
>
>Like last years draft there is going to be a big to do at the Fleet Center.
>This years show is called "Fandemonium" Pitino will be addressing the
>crowd, there will be a live television feed via satellite on the jumbotron,
>opportunities to see Celtic players, coaches and Celtics legends,
>interviews on the main stage with Celtics players and coaches, and a live
>band. There will also be several interactive exhibits but sorry no
>Cheerleaders!! I went last year and had a great time. As a season ticket
>holder I requested as many tickets as possible. Besides my pair I was sent
>an additional three pairs. They are general admission meaning you can sit
>anywhere. I would like to offer them free to the members of this list. If
>you are interested in a pair of tickets e-mail me, only once, with your
>interest and mailing address (Very Important!!). I will take mail up to
>this Friday June 19 at 5:00PM. At that time Ill drop all requests into a
>hat and draw 3 winners. Ill post the winners and notify them by e-mail
>shortly after the drawing. I will mail out the tickets on Friday night so
>you will have them in advance on Wednesday June 24th.
>
>Please don't request the tickets if you will not use them. It woudn't be
>fair to those who would.
>
>Good Luck!!
>
>JC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:43:36 -0400
>From: Witchcraft1998@hotmail.com (Witch)
>Subject: Lockout Less Certain?
>
>Read all about the possible summer-long moratorium on a NBA
>lockout at: http://www.espn.sportszone.com/nba/news/980618/00742805.html
>WC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:08:17 -0400
>From: "Meninno, James A." <JMENINNO@PARTNERS.ORG>
>Subject: Hot topics
>
>Well, we've been back and forth on whether Antoine deserves huge money
>for ages now. I don't agree with the people who say that if you want to
>be a champion you have to shell out huge money up front to your young
>star. Frankly, the biggest reason the Bulls were able to have their
>"dynasty" is that they were able to sign Pippen to a long and reasonable
>contract. Malone and Stockton could have made more money than they did,
>which allowed them to stay together. I really think it comes down to
>pride. Some players are proud of winning and some are proud of their
>paychecks. If it were me, I honestly think I would take 12mil insted of
>17 if I thought that money would be used to give the team a better
>chance of winning. Once we win a couple, give them everything there is.
>What ever happened to reward for accomplishment?
>
>As far as these cheerleaders go, I don't think it is so far fetched that
>this is part of a number of changes to make the team seem more up to
>date to the players. Tradition is great, but do the players understand
>or care about it? I can see why these quaint traditions of ours would
>seem backwards. As long as we keep the important traditions of hard
>work, desire to win etc., who cares about the presentation? And the C's
>have come miles in these areas this year.
>
>Jim
>
>PS I'll be 32 in 10 days.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:14:36 -0400
>From: Witchcraft1998@hotmail.com (Witch)
>Subject: Jackie MacMullan: Celtics One Of The Teams Pursuing Olowokandi
>
>>From Jackie's CNNSI column:
>"The hot commodity in the upcoming draft remains Pacific center Michael
>Olowokandi, who has Toronto, Denver, Philadelphia, Boston, and Golden State
>in hot pursuit of his rights. Even the Clippers who have the number one
pick
>and were a lock to take Arizona point guard Mike Bibby, have taken a long
look
>at the 7-footer.
>
>"Meanwhile, sources tell me, Vancover, which has the No. 2 pick and
probably
>controls Olowokandi's future, has considered keeping him for themselves,
and
>dealing their own center, Big Country Reeves, to Phoenix for point guard
Steve
>Nash. Since Reeves' contract is in the neighborhood of $11 million a
season,
>that would have also freed up money for vancouver to sign forward Shareef
>Abdur-Rahim..."
>
>In other notes, Jackie says if Ike Austin is willing to take a "deep
discount"
>then he may end up with Utah. The Jazz will only be able to offer Austin a
>base salary of $4.5 to $5 million dineros a year.
>WC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:43:16 -0500
>From: Bob Miller <bob@pointofchoice.com>
>Subject: 8 in a row?
>
>>Only Houston hardheads would deny that the Rockets won a pair of
>>championships (1994, 1995) that would have been Chicago's had Jordan not
>>taken his famous sabbatical.
>
>Don't know about that. Jordan DID play that second year the last 6 weeks or
>so of the season plus the playoffs. People always seem to conveniently
>forget that (especially Bob Costas). I also sort of recall he dropped 55 on
>the Knicks after his return.
>
>The biggest problem the Bulls had that second year was no Horace Grant and
>no Dennis Rodman. They had nobody to handle Horace in the playoffs when he
>switched to the Orlando Magic. They had nobody off the bench to battle
>Shaq, Hakeem, etc. That's why they traded for Rodman that ensuing summer.
>IMO, Rodman was the key to the following 72-10 year.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:36:18 -0300
>From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.andara.com>
>Subject: Re: Hot topics
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Meninno, James A. <JMENINNO@PARTNERS.ORG>
>To: 'Celtics@igtc.com' <Celtics@igtc.COM>
>Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 11:27 AM
>Subject: Hot topics
>
>
>>Frankly, the biggest reason the Bulls were able to have their
>>"dynasty" is that they were able to sign Pippen to a long and reasonable
>>contract.
>
>I would think that the name "Jordan" may have had a little to do with it as
>well.
>
>>As far as these cheerleaders go, I don't think it is so far fetched that
>>this is part of a number of changes to make the team seem more up to
>>date to the players. Tradition is great, but do the players understand
>>or care about it? I can see why these quaint traditions of ours would
>>seem backwards. As long as we keep the important traditions of hard
>>work, desire to win etc., who cares about the presentation?
>
>My feeling is if we have to have cheerleaders to appease these current day
>players, they could be in the wrong profession. The bottom line is
winning,
>not appearance, but if that is a concern of the players, I, for one, don't
>feel they are concentrating on their job. As far as the tradition is
>concerned, it may be more important to the longtime Celtic supporter than
to
>the newcomer, but that doesn't make it any less relevant. That's one of
the
>things opponents used to talk about most when they played the C's. The
>whole Celtic aura and mystique. That's important to me. I don't see the
>problem with giving new players an education on what being a Celtic player
>means and how special it is. There should be no apologies for being proud
>of the greatest basketball franchise in NBA history. Bringing players
>aboard who can buy into that spirit is more important than cheerleading,
>with all due respect to the pro rah-rahs.
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:45:19 -0400
>From: Witchcraft1998@hotmail.com (Witch)
>Subject: Top Ten Picks *Version 4*
>
>1. LA Clippers: Michael Olowokandi
> Austin's not going to Boston, maybe Utah.
>
>
>2. Vancouver Grizzlies: Michael Bibby
> They pick up a point guard and keep Bryant Reeves.
>
>
>3. Denver Nuggets: Paul Pierce
> The Nuggets have a new shooting guard.
>
>
>4. Toronto Raptors: Vince Carter
> Toronto needs a star.
>
>
>5. Golden State Warriors: Larry Hughes
> The Warriors will Rock The Boat with the St.Louis native.
>
>
>6. Dallas Mavericks: Robert Traylor
> Don Nelson tosses a curve.
>
>
>7. Sacramento Kings: Michael Doleac
> So much for a trade with Detroit.
>
>
>8. Philadelphia 76's: Keon Clark
> In case Theo Ratliff departs.
>
>
>9. Milwaukee Bucks: Raef LaFrentz
> They're shocked that he dropped this far.
>
>
>10. Boston Celtics: Antawn Jamison
> They love Nowitzki more, but Jamison's not going to be in Italy next
year.
>
>WC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:21:32 -0500
>From: "Nathan A." <nj13@navix.net>
>Subject: Draft Awards, cheerleaders
>
>I have alreday sent in my vote to the person that proposed a cheerleader
>poll, but to make my vote public:
>
>No cheerleaders
>Age: 22
>
>Nathan A.
>
>Here's something entertaining on the upcoming NBA draft found on the CNN/SI
>page:
>
>MOST LIKELY TO ENDORSE JOHN DEERE:
> Michigan's Robert "Tractor" Traylor, who will also get his pick of
> fast-food sponsorship opportunities.
>
>BEST SHOT TO BE A CBA ALL-STAR:
> Charles Jones, Long Island U., whose collegiate scoring prowess will
> play well on the marquee in places like Yakima, Wash., and LaCrosse,
> Wis.
>
>LEAST LIKELY TO MAKE ANOTHER SPORTS
>ILLUSTRATED COVER:
> Felipe Lopez, St. John's. 'Nuff said.
>
>MOST DESTINED FOR THE "WHERE-ARE-THEY-NOW?" FILE:
> 1998 NCAA Final Four MVP Jeff Sheppard and 1997 NCAA Final Four
> MVP Miles Simon, whose best years are behind them.
>
>LEAST LIKELY TO MEET A SHOT HE'D DISLIKE:
> Oregon State gunner Corey Benjamin. Too bad we have about as much
> confidence in his jump shot as the American public has in Kenneth
Starr.
>
>BIGGEST 'TWEENER:
> North Carolina's Antawn Jamison, with the heart of Karl Malone and the
> height of George Karl.
>
>MOST LIKELY TO REGRET LEAVING COLLEGE EARLY:
> Iowa's Ricky Davis. Unless your name is Marbury, one good-not-great
> college season does not an NBA player make.
>
>MOST LIKELY TO REGRET MISSING COLLEGE ALTOGETHER:
> Ellis Richardson, Polytechnic H.S. in Sun Valley, Calif. This guy is
so far
> off the NBA radar screen, he could double as "most likely to endorse
the
> stealth bomber."
>
>BEST IMPRESSION OF MATT BRUST:
> North Carolina's Makhtar Ndiaye, who, like the former St. John's
> standout, seemed to be in college for a decade. Also known as the
"Barry
> Goheen Award."
>
>SAFEST BET FOR THE FANTASY LEAGUE ALL-ROOKIE TEAM:
> Arizona's Mike Bibby, who will be handed the ball and given the green
> light right away for some sorry team. Winning games? Nah. It's all
about
> the stats.
>
>WORST PRONUNCIATION NIGHTMARE FOR DAVID STERN AT THE PODIUM:
> Slovenia's Radoslav Nesterovic, followed by Vladimir Stepania from
> Olimpia Ljubljana in Georgia (of the former U.S.S.R., not U.S.A.),
then
> Greece's Dimitris Papanikolaou.
>
>MOST THANKFUL TO BE LEAVING COLLEGE:
> Indiana's Andrae Patterson, who says "goodnight" to Bob Knight.
>
>MOST DESPERATE TO FIND A JUMP SHOT BEFORE DRAFT NIGHT:
> UCLA's Toby Bailey, who has the athleticism of a pro but the shooting
> mechanics of your local YMCA stiff.
>
>MOST UPSIDE:
> Pacific center Michael Olowokandi, who brings the physical tools of a
> nimble 7-footer, even if he doesn't have the talent yet.
>
>MOST LIKELY TO ENDURE A LITTLE HAZING:
> Eastern Michigan's 5'5" point guard, Earl Boykins.
>
>BEST IMPRESSION OF VERNON MAXWELL:
> Florida point guard Jason Williams. Same alma mater, same scoring
> punch, same off-court wild streak.
>
>LEAST LIKELY TO TOP HIS COLLEGE EXPERIENCE:
> Valparaiso guard Bryce Drew, who captured America's heart for a week
> with his Hoosier heroics in the 1998 NCAA Tournament.
>
>AND THE OBLIGATORY MOST LIKELY TO SUCCEED:
> Kansas' Paul Pierce, whose smooth wing game and pro body will have
> people thinking that he's Scottie Pippen with a better jumper.
>___________________________________________________________
>Release, Rotation, Splash!
>
>The North Bend Sports Page: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/arena/2430
>
>Nebraska Cornhuskers, Simply the best.
>1994, 1995, 1997...
>
>Don't hate yourself in the morning -- sleep till noon.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:02:16 -0400
>From: "Jan Crocker" <jan@netgworld.com>
>Subject: Lottery Night Ticket Winners
>
>Congratulations to:
>
>Adam Rubin
>Alex Wang
>Neal "Rudy" Hoffman
>
>Your tickets are in the mail.
>
>Have fun.
>
>JC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:41:25 -0500
>From: mustang@gis.net (Michael A.DiZio)
>Subject: Re: Walker rumor
>
>.
>>
>>LaFrentz -- could be had at #6 I believe...
>>
>>Traylor -- fantastic player. Played at 300+lbs in college but is doing his
>>hardest in losing the flab. He is very quick on foot for someone that big
and
>>is very flexible. He can bang due to his size and has beautifully soft
hands
>>and can shoot really well for a guy his size. Barkley part 2? No! Traylor
part
>>1!
>>
>>Warwick
>
> Wow, he sounds really good on paper. If the Celtics could get one more
>real talent on this team, I think Walker's game would improve. His poor
>shot selection stems primarily from the fact that he is their main man, and
>he feels he must put up the #'s for the C's to win. I just don't want to
>see the Green handcuff themselves by being unable to improve because one
>guy is oinking up the lion's share of the money. Minnesota has improved,
>but they'll probably lose Googs due to Garnett taking more than his share.
>Maybe there should be a setup where there is a maximum percentage of the
>cap money that any of the twelve players can take. Nobody has much of a
>bench in this league anymore, partially due to expansion, but mainly
>because there is no money for the 6,7.8,9 guys. Market value is what it is
>I guess, but main guys need complementary players as well, unless they are
>happy counting their money and playing golf as soon as the regular season
>ends. I guess there is precedent for $100 million guys who can't shoot free
>throws though. I would't take much of what is coming out in the form of
>rumor or Pitino pronouncements as Gospel, however. It's really only
>contract posturing to try and soften Walker up and try to save some
>dollars and some face on any upcoming deal.
>
> Michael D
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:02:15 +1000
>From: jumpshot@nobbys.net.au (Karen J Davies)
>Subject: An Aussie returns + Mercer
>
>Hi Green fans, great to be back in cyberspace and back on this ace list
that
>supplies me with so much of my Celtics info down here in Australia. I have
>really missed it.
>
>Just noticed on the first few emials coming through talk of Mercer and his
>limitations/4th quarter fade outs. I am a big Mercer fan and believe he
>will be an all star by 2000, which I was saying when we were all discussing
>draft possibilites back when we discovered we did not have #1 TD. (Just
for
>the record I suggested Mercer and Knight but was laughed at by many for
>picking Breven.....for some reason Celtic fans seem to have a fear about
>picking short guards......) Mercer is a rookie (as has been pointed out)
>and has defered to AW , as he should have in many situations. Ron is a
>clutch player and the sort of player that can really carry a team. In his
>final year with the WIldcats he almost took them to the championship with
an
>injury and no Derek Anderson beside him. If you look at those Final Four
>games he made some really big plays down the stretch in pain.
>
>Mercer should be Green for life.
>
>JD
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:34:35 +1000
>From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@eisa.net.au>
>Subject: Popeye Jones
>
>Hey all,
>
>While everyone is saying that the Celtics are going to waive Popeye
>Jones, I have thought about it. Why would Rick Pitino waive someone he
>*demanded* be included in a trade while he was injured.
>
>Unless Rick has changed his opinion about Popeye, then I can only say
>that it would be totally stupid to demand someone be included in a trade
>and then waive him.
>
>Popeye Jones your backup power forward.
>
>C: *dont know* DeClercq
>F: Walker P.Jones
>F: *dont know* McCarty
>G: Mercer Bowen
>G: Anderson Barros
>
>That leaves the following players up for trade or waiving..
>
>Greg Minor, Dontae` Jones, Tyus Edney, Pervis Ellison, Reggie Hanson,
>Travis Knight, Zan Tabak.
>
>Trade idea - D.Jones and G.Minor to the Clippers for the Miami pick.
>They are massively under cap.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:16:51 EDT
>From: Alex Wang <awang@mit.edu>
>Subject: draft
>
>It looks like the draft can be broken down into a few categories:
>
>top players:
> Bibby
> Olowokandi
> Pierce
>
>second-tier:
> Carter
> Hughes
> Jamison
> LaFrentz
> Traylor
>
>after that:
> Doleac
> Mohammed
> Nowitzki
> Lewis
> Harrington
>
>I'm beginning to think that maybe the Celtics could get someone who
>could start at some point during the season at center or forward with
>the #10 pick. Maybe Pitino will keep the pick after all, especially
>since he's supposedly been unable to package it with Knight.
>
>As for trades with Walker to move up in the draft, I think the only way
>it could happen is if Pitino felt it would enable him to get another
>good-great starter as well as a high draft pick. Even so, I wouldn't
>think he would do it unless he was convinced that Walker couldn't be
>re-signed.
>
>The rumor about Walker, Minor, #10 for Camby, Christie, #4 was very
>interesting and plausible if Pitino likes Camby. Does anyone know if
>he's ever said anything to that effect? I've seen Camby's name mentioned
>numerous times in trade rumors and I wonder why that is.
>
>Now let's assume this actually happened. Camby is a power forward and
>could probably be given a contract extension for a relatively cheap price.
>The trade leaves the Celtics with surplus talent at shooting guard and
>holes at center and small forward. I would think a possible next step at
>this point would be to attempt to move up and take Olowokandi at #2.
Toronto
>reportedly offered the #4 and Christie and was refused; but I would assume
>that Vancouver would go for the #4 and Mercer. As a bonus, Gaston won't be
>forced to refuse to pay Mercer his market value and Christie is signed
>long-term for relatively little. The Celtics will still have their cap
>money left to sign a starting small forward.
>
>The lineup is then:
>1. Anderson Barros
>2. Christie Bowen
>3. <Free agent> McCarty
>4. Camby Knight
>5. Olowokandi DeClerq
>
>Doesn't really look to me like a team that's going to be contending for
>a championship unless Olowokandi is going to be a dominant center,
>and that's really the key to the trade.
>
>Pitino would need to push Camby to his full potential. The free agent
>would have to be pretty impressive also.
>
>Alex
>
>------------------------------
>
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