RE: get out of a ticket?

["Kevin Kline" <kkline@accesscable.net>]

Some people have way too much time on their hands.........




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From: owner-jettaglx@igtc.com [mailto:owner-jettaglx@igtc.com]On Behalf
Of Khan Klatt
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:53 PM
To: jettaglx@igtc.com
Subject: Re: get out of a ticket?


>jeez, khan...he's just a fellow driver not wanting waste money on a 
>speeding ticket...understandable, don't you think?

I think my response made it clear that I couldn't comprehend the 
mentality that makes someone think that they can get out of a ticket 
due to some trivial inaccuracy that was caused by the driver.

>  and who do you think you are to get all condescending on him?

Who are you to say that I was condescending? I mean really, the guy 
broke the law, he got caught. I point it out, and suddenly I'm 
condescending because I said he should face the music.

>  what? you've never gone over the limit?

Of course I have. But for very short periods of time, and with NO 
cars on the road at the time. Otherwise, I accelerate as safely and 
as quickly as possible to the speed limit, and hit the cruise button 
at 4 to 5 mph over the limit.

>  never gotten a ticket and wish you didn't have to pay it??!!

Well, I'll let you know when I get my first ticket. Regardless, I 
think I know myself pretty well. If I ended up getting a ticket, and 
I was speeding, sure I'd *wish* I didn't have to pay it, but I would 
absolutely pay it. I wouldn't try to argue that the cop wrote "Jetta" 
instead of "Jetta GLX VR6" and that therefore I should get out of the 
ticket. I mean what's next?

Does the cop have to write that it was the classic green, and not the 
hunter green on my car? Does he have to know the difference between 
"Yellow" and "Ginster Yellow"? Does he have to know that I actually 
have Brospeed tips on my car, and therefore it isn't a stock Jetta? 
Does this mean that cops have to do a 200 item inspection of your car 
before giving you a ticket to ensure it sticks? Do they have to get 
your VIN and run the VIN numbers to determine the origin of the car?

>and no- it's not really like stealing something from a store.

You missed the point of the analogy. The analogy was of the following 
structure:

1. You know you're doing something wrong.
2. You get caught doing it but you say you shouldn't be liable 
because they said you were caught doing "x" with "y".
3. You want to argue that you shouldn't be liable because you say you 
were caught doing "x" with "z".

In that light, the analogy fits perfectly.

>  he's just trying to find a loophole that may help him in getting 
>out of the ticket.

And I'm just trying to say that reaching for a loophole that 
absolutely ridiculous is offensive to me. What's next after that?

Can we all start making typos on our W-2's so that when we fill out 
our 1040 IRS forms that since your employment record shows you 
employed as John Vento Jones, and your real name is actually John 
Jetta Jones, that you shouldn't have to pay taxes?

Does this mean that after you have a one night stand with someone and 
they have a kid, and you change your name to Bill Vento from Bill 
Jetta that suddenly the kid isn't yours and you shouldn't have to pay 
child support?

Does this mean that you can change your name from Bob Jetta to Bob 
Vento and when the AIDS report comes back from the doctor and it says 
that Bob Vento has AIDS, you don't have to worry about it, because 
after all, you're really Bob Jetta?

To me it's all varying degrees of the same kind of dishonesty.

>  And loopholes are what this country runs on- from lawyers to courts 
>to taxes to politicians to lawmakers.

If that's true, it's only because this country is full of people with 
no integrity. I'm not going to be a pessimist-- there are plenty of 
people out there with integrity. In my opinion, where you stand on 
this issue determines whether you are one of them or not.

>i'm sure he knows he did somthing wrong by speeding- we all do it. 
>he was just asking for a little help, not a condescending, placating 
>lecture.

Yes, we all do it, but we don't all expect to get away Scott-free on 
some sort of absurd technicality. What's the disincentive to drive 
the limit if you can use a ridiculous loophole like this each time? 
Do I never have to pay a ticket if I get the Honda Accord body kit 
(trunk, grille, and badges) and the cops keep on calling my Jetta a 
Honda?

Give me a break.

-Khan
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Khan Klatt                                         khan@mediaaccess.com

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