Re: P-Flow/Air Bath Discovery LONG BUT WORTH IT!!!!

[Bryan Billings <vwxcross@worldnet.att.net>]

Thats another question that I had to ask myself.  Was it just the sound
that gave the impression of the car being fast.  I came to the
conclusion that it was indeed the sound.  You drive the car harder when
it sounds cool.  Modify the Air box with an element. You wont be sorry.

Bryan

Franklin Mosley wrote:
> 
> Ok. So what you're saying is that once you threw the airbox back in with out
> the pre-screen you got the low end torque back.  I got the p-flo and at
> first the low end was great but the longer I drove the car I noticed that I
> started losing it.  I notice this even more on hot days and after a lot of
> city driving.  I was told that buying the air bath would correct the problem
> of hot air being sucked back into the engine, which would lose power.  I was
> thinking about getting the air bath, but after reading your message, I'm
> probably going to put my air box back in. I brought my p-flo 3 months ago, I
> guess I'll have to sell it and start saving up for an exhaust system.  That
> sucks, I really loved the deep growl that came from the p-flo, it makes the
> car sound like a mean machine.  But than again, sounding like a mean machine
> and actually being a mean machine is two different things.  Anyway thanks
> for the information.
> 
> Frank
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   owner-jettaglx@igtc.com [mailto:owner-jettaglx@igtc.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Billings
> Sent:   Tuesday, June 16, 1998 2:06 AM
> To:     jettaglx@igtc.com
> Subject:        P-Flow/Air Bath Discovery LONG BUT WORTH IT!!!!
> 
> Ok, I know this may be long so bare with me.  I went down and was
> looking at the 98 GTI VR6's for my wife. I know that they are a little
> quicker but the range was different than my Jetta VR6.  I have the
> P-flow with the air bath setup and the Neuspeed Chip. I was tired of
> having such a poor low end. This engine requires a great deal of back
> pressure. I did some experiments with the exhaust and came to the
> conclusion that free flowing sucks with out back pressure. Can these two
> elements exist in the same environment? I dont think so.  There is a
> give and take with both. The best setup for a custom modification was to
> leave the big muffler in tact.  This is what provides the back pressure
> for the exhaust.  I replaced the second muffler with a 12" K&C straight
> Stainless Glass pack and ended it off with a dual ANSA tip.  It really
> sounds cool. I drove a friends car with the Auto tech setup and I could
> not really feel a difference.  I did something interesting tonight that
> dramatically improved my low power range. I took the P-flow off and the
> upper portion of the air-bath. I took the stock box and removed the
> screen inside along with the connecting outer tube that connects to the
> side of the car for air.  Then I connected the Airbath Hose to the inlet
> hole and clamped it off.  Actually I didn't make any modifications at
> all that were permanent. It is like forcing a great deal of fresh air
> into the box. To top it off I went down and got a K&N replacement
> element. Dam guys, the Low end is back. I now have torque at low RPM's
> in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was having to keep up the RPM"S with the p-flow
> setup to get and power then it flattened out at 5500 RPM's.  Now it
> continues to pull up to 6400k. The engine really feels smooth now. It
> was throaty before but the power response when you guned it without
> shifting down was really poor. I like it much better this way.
> I think the real key here is cheap modifications besides the chip just
> dont get results.  If you are going to do something, replace the cams or
> get a supercharger. I eventually may get a bolt on exhaust.
> Oh and the best part was coming home from the parts store with my new
> K&N element. I still waxed a brand new with sticker still intact BMW
> 328is.  I shit you not!!! We went all the way from 20mph both in 1st
> gear to about 110mph he never led the way once.  We slowed and he gave
> me the thumbs up with that maybe I should take this 38 thousand dollar
> car back and get one of those looks. His woman in the front seat had her
> mouth wide open. I had to stop and literally get out of the car to jump
> up and down.  If you guys have this setup try it.  It took about 30 min
> and you have nothing to loose.  I started with the stock filter and
> still noticed a big difference. the VR6 is starved for CO2, so when you
> initially put the p-flow on it is a difference. The CPU over time
> adjusts to the CO2 and the power gain is gone.  The gradual loss of
> power is hard to see.  This also proves that the mapping of the CPU's
> can be allot more aggressive. Oh by the way my gas mileage seems to be
> back to.
> Six weeks ago I was in Seattle and when I first got there I swear to god
> that comming from 6500 feet in Colorado to Sea Level gave me an extra
> 25-30 hose initially. I raced a simarly modified Jetta Vr6 and tore him
> a new asshole.  Two weeks later while still in Seattle the gain was
> gone. The CPU adjusted it self.  I wish I could get that gain back.
> With this latest mod I bet it would really be a kick. Any one want to
> buy a P-flow Cheap????
> 
> Bryan Billings
> 97 Jetta VR6