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Re: As Good As A Win



Even so, watch Pierce when he doesn't have te ball. It is amazing how often guys grab his arms, hands, jersey, shorts... and get away with it. Then when Paul gets the ball, the defender will get right up under him and swing his arms at Pierce, usually hitting his arms and hands, all the while while the ref stands there and watches. Then when Pierce attempts to make a move, the defender will continue swiping at his arms, often times knocking the ball loose. No whistle, and then people complain that Pierce isn't palying well.

Maybe it's sour milk, but for heavens sakes I'd like to see how effective Kobe or Tracy would be if guys were allowed to play that type of defense on them. I've seen a lot of the Lakers, and if you breathe on Kobe the whistle blows. With Pierce, the defenders have been getting away with it for so long, that it never gets called now. It's like Jordan. Most of his signature moves were travels but he did it so much that eventually the refs started letting him do it. Same with Pierce. Guys have been allowed to abuse him defensively for so long that now the refs just let it go as if it is normal.

Think that's not the case? Watch a few Laker games. I mean really watch them. And focus on Kobe the whole time and see how close guys are allowed to play him. Then watch the C's and really focus on Pierce. You'll be amazed at the different set of rules that exists.


From: Sean Giovanello <sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Kestas <Kestutis.Kveraga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: celtics@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: As Good As A Win
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:05:05 -0500

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Carroll inserts McCarty again instead of Davis who'd been playing very well.
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I do not advocate McCarty getting major minutes, but to me Davis took as much off the table tonite as he left on.


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Another big reason for the loss was more struggles by Paul Pierce. While he did hit a some tough shots, it was more of the same dribbling around and getting stripped stuff. Also, Prince and Sura, of all people, did quite a number on him defensively. He was definitely in his abused, "underwater" mode for a lot of the game.
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First off, the Pistons played some really good defense on Pierce tonite. Between Sura and Prince they really did a good job on him. Often, Pierce went up to shoot and either got blocked, threw it away or got blocked, or really had to alter his shot. Sura especially was doing an excellent job exploiting Pauls poor dribbling. Generally, he wont see individual defense this good. That being said, he just wouldnt give up the rock enough for others. Interestingly, the Celts looked pretty good when he was out of the game...

Kestas wrote:

ryan nelson wrote:

Question for those who were able to watch the game.  Looks like we won
on the boards (is that a first for the season?) and shot a high
percentage from 3 (though took about half what we usually take), so how
did we lose?


To me, the two main reasons we lost were 1) McCarty got way too much time; 2) Carroll failed to put a stop to a Pistons run quickly enough.

Re: McCarty, things were going quite well for us when he came in and stayed in ...and stayed in, until the Pistons caught up with us. He played terribly, missing easy shots and making stupid mistakes. The best way I can say about him is that he made one good pass to a cutting Blount, and hit that lucky bankshot three. I don't know what Carroll was thinking - was he trying to show that he's his own man, demonstrating his loyalty for Obie so he can get an assistanship wherever Obie lands next? Then, when Mihm fouls out in the 4th, Carroll inserts McCarty again instead of Davis who'd been playing very well. And that pretty much did it.

Also, the Celtics relaxed way too much on D at the end of the first half and start of the third, and Carroll allowed it to go on for too long.
To his credit, he did get the guys back into a fighting mood, and he pulled Banks after the kid repeatedly failed to stay with Chucky Atkins. Also, there was no fronting and no blitzing in the 1st half and guys were concentrating on boxing out and rebounding more. There were a few half-hearted attempts at blitzing in the 2nd. I don't know whether it was out of habit or by design. The movement on offense was a noticeably better, though.


Another big reason for the loss was more struggles by Paul Pierce. While he did hit a some tough shots, it was more of the same dribbling around and getting stripped stuff. Also, Prince and Sura, of all people, did quite a number on him defensively. He was definitely in his abused, "underwater" mode for a lot of the game.


Also, I see hunter played 6 minutes.  Why only 6?  Was he not effective?
Was he overmatched?


As I said, it was because Carroll played McCarty way too much. Hunter did fine. He had a nice post-up move, and snatched two tough rebounds. I don't see any obvious weaknesses which should prevent him from playing at this point. He is certainly superior to Waltuh in all but the 3-point shooting. Cooz was raving about him again. Kendrick, obviously, didn't get any time at all. If Carroll keeps this up, I think it will be time to try Lester Conner, Eric Vogel, equipment manager John Connor, masseur Vlad Shulman, Ed Lacerte, or whoever. This nonsense has to stop, but I'm sure Ainge will stop it sooner than later.
Kestas

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