Re: Here's a trade to make

["Josh Ozersky" <jozersky@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm not torn at all.  I don't want Howard.  Another 
power forward who can't rebound, who needs the
ball 15 times a game to contribute, and who has 
been abused by every 4 from Antoine to Zach.  Keep
LaFrenz as the starting four, and PLAY HUNTER 
THIS YEAR!

Josh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Here's a trade to make


> I would say Taylor and Baker are different players, but not as vastly
> different as you suggest. How many of Vin's points were 15-foot jumpers?
> Plenty. You're right that Mo Taylor takes more of those mid-range
> jumpers than Vin, but I don't think he's soft. He also has a post-up
> game. You can throw it to him with his back to the basket and he knows
> what to do with it. He's a good pick-and-roll player because he really
> knocks down that mid-range shot. He's a career 48 percent shooter who
> simply doesn't shoot three-pointers (thankfully). He averages around 5
> rpg in 28 mpg, and around 12 points (although he has averaged as much as
> 17). He's 6-9, 255. You're right about him being injury-prone. He has
> missed a lot of games (15-20 a season) in recent years.
> 
> But it may be a moot point. ESPN Insider says Ainge's No. 1 target is
> Juwan Howard. Apparently it also mentions interest in Williamson and
> Dale Davis, but Juwan's salary, production and good attitude are
> attractive to Ainge.
> 
> I'm not a Juwan Howard fan, but I was surprised at his numbers this
> season and in recent years. He's averaging about 16 points and 7
> rebounds per game this season, on 45 percent shooting. Those numbers
> were 18 and 8 the previous two seasons. He's a career 18 and 7 guy, on
> 47 percent shooting. He's 6-9, 260. He has been durable. 
> 
> Howard definitely fills a need. He's a true power forward who can score
> efficiently in the low post and is a decent rebounder. But he has been
> on some really terrible basketball teams. Maybe that's why I don't like
> him. He just seems cursed. I don't believe he's the reason these teams
> are bad, but he also has proven he isn't a guy who can make a huge
> difference on his own. He was signed to the mid-level exception this
> past offseason, so he has five more years after this. That's reasonable
> money, but a lot of years. He's tradeable, but not someone teams will be
> knocking your door down for.
> 
> Insider says it's Howard and Garrity, who has four more seasons. That's
> a lot of commitments. The good news is, if that's the deal, then the
> Celts would have to include Walter to make it work. So there's the
> addition by subtraction aspect to consider. 
> 
> Insider says Ainge has offers involving Mills/Mihm out there for guys
> like Howard (No. 1 on the list), Williamson and Dale Davis and is
> waiting for someone to bite. Howard probably is the best fit in terms of
> talent, but Davis would be a nice fit also, and only has one more year
> on his deal. He'd be a valuable trade chip next season.
> 
> I don't know. I'm torn on Juwan Howard. Maybe it goes back to his days
> with the Fab Five in Michigan (I know, that's irrational, but I can't
> help it). It would be nice to have some bona fide NBA big men next
> season - Lafrentz and Howard, along with Blount and Perkins - but I'm
> still torn. Thoughts?
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- --- ---
> 
> Kestas wrote:
> 
> I think that they are very different players (drinking aside) in terms
> of how
> they score. Taylor is just not a low-post player. I have this image of
> him as a
> pretty-soft, injury-prone finesse PF who shoots midrange jumpers. When
> he's on,
> he's pretty hard to turn off. I remember him torching Toine a few years
> back.
> Maybe I haven't seen enough of him.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Giovanello [mailto:sgiovanello@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:20 AM
> To: Berry, Mark S
> Cc: celtics@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Malik Rose
> 
> If Danny has a long term plan, he cant make any of the deals.  That is, 
> unless he is Rick Pitino with an eye for talent....
> 
> Berry, Mark S wrote:
> 
> >Rose for Mills and Jones doesn't work. The salaries don't match up. In
> >fact, playing around on RealGM, I couldn't find a combination that made
> >sense.
> >
> >
> >
> >But, let's assume they came up with something. What are everyone's
> >thoughts on Malik Rose? Personally, I love the guy. He's a warrior. He
> >makes winning plays. Anyone who liked Eric Williams would love Malik
> >Rose. He's an undersized power forward, but at least he's a power
> >forward. He fills a need.
> >
> >
> >
> >So what's the problem? Well, he has a huge five-year contract. He got
> >one of those deals that made you take a second look when it was
> >announced. He's a nice player. I'd love a guy like that, but only if
> >he's making about half the money Rose is currently making. Rose is one
> >of those guys who was overpaid by his team because he was so valuable
> to
> >them, but probably wouldn't be as valuable to anyone else.
> >
> >
> >
> >Would I do this trade? If it's Rose and San Antonio's first-rounder for
> >Mills and Jones, I probably don't do it. You're taking on a bad,
> >long-term contract and the only incentive would be a very late
> >first-round pick - and every year you hear about teams trying to dump
> >those picks so they don't have to pay the guaranteed contract. Do the
> >Spurs own the rights to any promising foreign players? Do they own
> >anyone else's first-rounder? Ray, do you know of anything? It would
> take
> >something like that to prod me into making this trade. This is
> assuming,
> >of course, that Ginobli is off limits.
> >
> >
> >
> >These are the types of players we're talking about now. They all have
> >bad contracts - Williamson, Rose, Jahidi White. The key is how much the
> >other team is willing to pay to convince you to take the bad contract.
> >If it's just a low first-rounder, that shouldn't be enough. Personally,
> >I'm still hoping the Suns include either Vujanic (our answer at point
> >guard) or Zarko (maybe the answer at power forward). Casey Jacobsen
> >doesn't cut it.
> >
> >
> >
> >The point is this: The return we get for the Mills contract shouldn't
> be
> >based on the player with the big contract. It should depend on the
> >sweetener.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark