Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Power forward is what ills us

[Celtic4Hire@xxxxxxx]

Fabio,
I think we all respected Obie. But I never liked his MO, even when the Cs 
won, at least at the offensive end. But a real good coach is one who can adapt to 
the situation. Pat Riley has coached both an uptemp team and a slowdown team. 
Yes, Obie got more out of these players, perhaps more out of them than anyone 
else could. But he apparently was a one trick pony. If he couldn't have a 
defensive team that shot threes, which is his pedigree in college (Kentucky) and 
with the Celtics, then he wouldn't/couldn't do it. But my main point is that 
Obie gets credit for taking the Cs to the ECF but IMO, it was the right place, 
right time with the Harter defense and the first year with the zone. The 
overall results show that Obie's strategy wasn't working as the league had caught 
on. You can blame it on Danny and say that if they just had EWill and Battie, 
it would still work. But they had them last year and we were 6th or 7th in the 
weak East and had many drillings, some record setting. How can people forget 
that? How can people forget how on ABC's first game last year we get totally 
blown out and Brent Musburger reminisces about when the Cs were great? 

 I wish the people who correct me all the time with statistics would look up 
(not meaning you here Fabio) and check our defensive stats for the last three 
years. I would bet you see a decline.

Players in the NBA can hit open three point shots even they have time to 
sight it in. Harter's defense allows for that (in addition to giving up offensive 
rebounds) if the opposing team will pass the ball. It is no coincidence that Q 
and Jackson got all those three pointers. It happened last year also. All 
people remember is that little 5 game winning streak we had this year. Wow....

DJessen33

<< Frankly, I don't see soo many "Obie-lovers" here. I see objective 
 people, who understands the good and the bad in what he did. I, for 
 instance, liked the way his teams played defense and his defensive 
 transition. I think we did not have enough talent to play better 
 offense through motion or general passing game patterns, but I admit 
 he could have at least tried some less ugly offensive plays. Anyway, 
 as Bob Cousy used to say, the good coach is the one who gets the most 
 out of the roster he handles. And to me O'Brien did exactly that. He 
 won more than Pitino had done with the same players, and he won more 
 than Carroll is doing with these ones. This doesn't necessarily mean 
 I am an "Obie-lover": I am a "Celtics-lover". But I respected the man 
 and still do. Although I think that, in the name of the Celtics, he 
 shouldn't have left before the end of the season: he has some 
 responsibilities on these losses too. Mice use to leave the ship when 
 it's sinking, not men.... And, by the way, why is Harter's defense so 
 bad? When Williams and Battie played it, we were one of the best 
 defensive units in the league.... Harter is taking undeserved flak.
 
 Fabio >>