Re: C's face point of contention

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yep, stop the music. Bird better than Jordan? Let's get the breathalyzer
out...must be happy hour...I don't care if Walker is learning Jordan's moves
or not...just that he do it on another team.

Now Snoop, I enjoy your posts and Celtic site but Walker a wave of the
future? I wonder how many High School coaches are instructing kids to watch
Walker in games or Jordan's old clips.

DanF


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Snoopy the Celtics Beagle" <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: C's face point of contention


> At 03:32 PM 10/14/03 -0400, Kestutis Kveraga wrote:
> >Yeah... it's the method we're concerned about. Sacramento's, Dallas's and
NJ's
> >best players also have the majority of plays and shots go through them,
but
> >with very different results. I also don't recall anyone making remarks
like
> >Antoine's, although I'm sure Jordan came pretty close. But even Jordan
bought
> >into the triangle system, and he had more ability to win games by himself
than
> >Antoine ever will. Like Hardaway and Jordan said, he's knucklehead. He
> >will not
> >change without a major event like a trade or a serious injury, and maybe
not
> >even then.
> >Kestas
>
> And this brings up the problem with Walker.  It's not the style of play,
or
> Obie, or Danny Ainge.  It's that Walker seems to be learning not only
> Jordan's style of conditioning, but his self-centered style of play as
> well.  Jordan has always displayed a "me first" style on and off the
> court.  It's one of the reasons I've always maintained that Bird is a
> better player--Bird knew from the beginning that the team won games, not
> the "superstar".  Jordan had to have it drilled into him in Chicago and
> promptly discarded the concept in Washington.  And Walker, suffering from
> hero-worship, is eagerly learning from Jordan's example.
>
> Frankly, I'd have much preferred if Walker had spent the summer hanging
> with the likes of Cousy, Bird or even Tommy Heinsohn.  Granted, Tommy
beats
> us over the head with the running game, but where Walker is concerned,
he's
> dead right.
>
> And Walker passes this on to Pierce.  As much as the style of play the
past
> few seasons has stifled their ability to think more about passing than
> shooting, their influence is dominated by the likes of Jordan.  I don't
> deny that they should still take shots when needed--despite their
> occasional questionable selection, they're still generally the go-to guys
> in crunch time.  They just need to develop other options during the game,
> so that if Pierce is double or triple teamed, he has someone reasonably
> reliable to pass out to.  To give Pierce credit, I've seen him actually do
> this a few times, though he needs to display more confidence in his
teammates.
>
> If you look at some of Walker's offensive attacks, they're nearly
identical
> to some of Jordan's moves.  The problems is, Jordan got away with a lot of
> it because he had more sheer physical ability than Walker.  Antoine is
like
> many young players and fans, gleefully mimicking the moves of their idol.
>
> Reminds me of a story Charles Schulz told.  In school, he used to draw a
> very good Popeye, often decorating fellow student's notebooks.  When
people
> were choosing drawings for a school exhibition, his were
> overlooked--because they weren't original.  He went with original material
> and the rest is history.
>
> Walker needs to go with some original material.  He can be a great passer
> when he chooses to be.  Cousy was and is legendary for his passing.
walker
> could end up being the wave of the future. And maybe someday, kids will
> learn from him because of it.
>
>
> Snoopy the Celtics Beagle
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