From: Cecil <cecil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:13:34 -0300
I don't personally believe that Kobe's case has any more to do with basketball than OJ's had to do with football.
Cecil
----- Original Message ----- From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??
> Maybe I'm naive, or perhaps just nostalgic, but I'd like to think parents
> somewhere are still making an effort to exert a reasonable influence over
> exactly how much info the kids get, lest they somehow DO end up "on some
> porn site".
>
> And, to clarify, I realize that Kobe himself is basketball related. The
> notion of whether he will play--or how well--is indeed relevant, though at
> this juncture, perhaps moreso to the Lakers than to the Celtics. But
> chapter and verse on his accuser's physical condition? Sorry, that's not
> relevant in my view. And if "All any kid has to do is look at a newspaper
> and they'll get the same article," then why post it here? We play LA
twice
> a year, unless both teams make the Finals. How important is it to the
> Celtics on a daily basis?
>
> At 10:05 AM 10/13/03 -0400, Shawn Niles wrote:
>
> >I hate to agree with Ray, but I see no problem posting the Kobe articles.
> >This is a basketball related list, and Kobe's trial certainly has a lot
to
> >do with basketball. As for the comment about the kids.... well you
better
> >block your kids from MSN, CNN, Boston.com, and any other news sites
> >because thats where the article came from. It is an AP released article.
> >It's not like Ray went on some porn site and posted an article from
there.
> >Kobe's case is a NEWS story. All any kid has to do is look at a newspaper
> >and they'll get the same article.
> >
> >
> >>From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: Celtics@xxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: What's the difference between Kobe and Vin? Are you SERIOUS??
> >>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:21:59 -0400
> >>
> >>At 04:26 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Dan Forant wrote:
> >>
> >>>Please explain the difference in Kobe's case compared to the AA posts
we
> >>>went through with Baker??? Also guys list all the taboo subjects you
don't
> >>>want discussed.
> >>
> >>In no particular order:
> >>
> >>Difference #1: Vin Baker plays for the Boston Celtics. Kobe does not.
> >>This is a Celtics-based list.
> >>
> >>Difference #2: This list discussed Baker's problem in context of how--or
> >>if--he could continue to play for Boston, how the team treated his
> >>problem, and how he has played since entering rehab. The discussion
> >>regarding the details what may (or may not) have happened between Kobe
> >>and his accuser has, so far as I can tell, nothing whatsoever to do with
> >>the Celtics, or basketball in general, except as a peripheral comment on
> >>the violent behavior of professional basketball players. Even then,
this
> >>kind of detail is unwarranted, at least here. I presume it might be at
> >>least minimally more germaine to a Lakers-based list.
> >>
> >>Granted, some of the talk about alcoholism in general may have wandered
a
> >>little far afield, but at least it still held strong relevance to Vin
> >>Baker, and I personally found it informative.
> >>
> >>As was mentioned, there are probably kids who read this list--though, I
> >>would hope, with parental supervision. While we can't pretend they're
so
> >>naive as to think there are no bad people in the world, I think it's
> >>reasonable to at least not go chapter and verse into events that really
> >>don't have a place here.
> >>
> >>For myself, I've never minded if the topic wanders a little
occasionally,
> >>but some things are just not appropriate, and I have to say that post
> >>would be one of them. I'm not timid myself. As a writer, I've written
a
> >>violent scene or two myself (though only for books specifically geared
> >>away from kids). We owe the kids our restraint in this venue, and even
> >>our fellow adults. Not everyone is strong of stomach.
> >>
> >>I think Dan seems to view this as a censorship (MY word, NOT his)
> >>issue. I think it's more a matter of exercising good judgement, which
> >>frankly, may not have happened. Ray did realize he should have posted a
> >>warning header, which would have helped, and I give him credit for
> >>that. But I think the wiser course would have been not to repost the
article.
> >>
> >>The matter with Kobe is unprecedented in several ways, not least of
which
> >>is the availability of graphic detail that in years past never left the
> >>courtroom. Now such things are routinely included in books, movies, and
> >>TV series. And so, online as well. I'm a proponent of the sharing of
> >>information,but the question of the appropriate venue must be considered
> >>before sharing it.
> >>
> >>I'm sure there are sites online that gather all the facts--and
> >>fiction--about Kobe's trial. I personally think it might be better for
> >>those interested to simply go there, or join the appropriate list,
> >>leaving it off this one. Of course, as an old friend used to say "Of
> >>COURSE that's "just my opinion"--do YOU see any stone tablets here?"
> >>
> >>It's just sad. Two families lives will be destroyed no matter what
> >>happens. Do we REALLY need to hear all the sordid details?
> >
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