Oh come on..8 is great. :P

[GuyClinch@xxxxxxx]

> Know what? We may be surprised just what we can get for Toine. I'm not so
> sure he's so tradable for talent we need.
> 
> DanF
> 

Hmm..

With every bad loss and bad game outta Toine we hear calls to trade him..
But I think other GM's probably undervalue the guy. PP has a much higher 
trade value and we could get a real star for him or a very high pick. Granted 
PP is much better but..the point is.. why trade a guy like Toine?

This idea that he is a "ceiling" or that we can't get any farther with Toine 
is nonsense. We need more talent. If trading Toine would get us more talent I 
am for it..but I think it would probably bring us less...alot less. 

Toine is not a "problem" guy.. He is hardworking, and dedicated to winning at 
basketball. Outsiders see his shot selection issues (which often occur when 
Pierce isn't on the court) and think that he is a bad guy. Nothing could be 
further from the truth. He seems to be a GREAT guy. 

We CAN build around Toine and Pierce. We need good drafting and 
trading..something which hasn't gone 100% our way. But one good draft 
pick..or one excellent trade can turn things around. We are one good/great 
player away from being a great team. 

Wallace thought Vin Baker was that guy... Let's hope he has better judgement 
in the future. Points are routinely selected lower in the draft and can turn 
out very well. The Bremer thing shows me that Wallace can spot a decent 
point..and I think with a draft pick we could really pick up someone who can 
play.

Personally..I am not sure its T.J. Ford. I have visions of Andre Miller..and 
no that's not a good thing. I am of the belief that many of the good players 
never make it to college nowadays. Then again I haven't seen him play that 
much. Also wow did you guys take that Troy Bell comment outta context. He was 
complimenting T.J..<g>

Anyway, with any luck..you folks will see.. Once they bring in another 
scorer/stud or if say Kedrick develops into such a player Toine will scale 
things back..and the Celts will be very good.

Pete