Re: Antoine

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It's tough to defend a guy I want to trade but I don't think Toine thinks
he's better than he is. I watch him closely because he's humorous and
entertaining. He does get a ton of non calls. If he got the calls his stock
would be much higher. I see some frustration in him at times.

DanF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kestas" <kkv@dartmouth.edu>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Antoine


> At 01:20 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >As for Antoine, he's the true leader of this team.  Have you all
forgotten
> >how he chastised the team during the playoffs last year for giving up?
It
> >worked, didn't it?  Why does he get no credit from any of you people for
the
> >good things?
>
> He does. He's a good player; the problem, he thinks he's a great player.
> Hence the poor shot selection that comes from attempting to do things that
> he can't do,  and the constant whining to the refs when it turns out that
> he can't do them. He can't accept that he simply missed a shot - if he
> did,  he must have been fouled! His durability,leadership, and desire to
> win are all major plusses, but he's not the only durable player with
> leadership qualities who wants to win. Pretty much all stars have the same
> qualities (it's that selection bias thing, you know). The difference is,
> hardly any of them, with the possible exception of Iverson, are as
> inefficient and wasteful as he is.
>
> >I don't, for one minute, buy into this excuse that some of you
> >have that Obie coaches according to Antoine's wishes.  He's the coach and
I
> >don't believe he's weak.
>
> He's also not stupid. He may not coach minute-to-minute according to
> Antoine's wishes, but he knows very well that he will only stay around as
> long as Antoine wants him to. As soon as Toine (and the rest of his
> teammates) quit on Obie, he's done. If Toine can make El presidente Pitino
> go away, he can certainly do that to Obie. I've said this before: Toine
> needs to be on a team with strong veteran *star* leadership, a strong
> coach, and a no-nonsense GM for his own good. If he played with/for MJ,
> he'd be twice the player he is because he'd be too intimidated to pull the
> same crap he's doing here. He'd be averaging 16, 12, and 8 on 48%
shooting,
> 12 good shots, very few 3s, and hardly any technicals. The problem is, he
> wants to be known as a "versatile player", do a little bit of everything
> (mostly what he likes), attempt difficult shots and tricky moves so that
> people say, "wow, look at Toine, what a talent he is", and no one can rein
> him in here.
> Kestas