Re: Walker

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Here's some Paul's shortcomings. He doesn't see the court all that well. He
loses control of his dribble and intentions when the doubles come,
especially late in the game when he may be tiring.  Has improved passing out
of doubles but still needs work. Forces a lot of shots. As well as he has
played, he has room to improve.

As far as Walker being a Leader forget it. Anderson was our last Leader.
He's a distraction. Awful shot selections. Whining and sulking effects play
of the team. He's a refs nightmare. He certainly lost ground last season in
his pro career.  I've seen him at games and think he could spend lots more
time with the weights. His $$ and game worth are headed down. This will be a
big season for him.

DanF


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <CeltsSteve@xxxxxxx>
To: <Celtics@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Walker


> In a message dated 7/5/03 9:52:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
GuyClinch@xxxxxxx
> writes:
>
> > Yeah..you keep on saying this.. But your not paying enough attention to
the
> > responses.
>
>
> Trust me, Pete. I've paid real close attention to the responses. First
Jim's,
> then Egg's, and now yours. And not one of the three objectively addressed
any
> of Pierce's shortcomings.
>
> One of the three (Jim's) suggested Pierce has few to no faults; yours
implies
> that you don't even know what faults Pierce has; and the third (Egg's)
didn't
> reference any faults one way or the other but used a specious hypothesis
to
> try as the basis to once again slam Antoine..
>
>
> > If you want to claim their is a double standard please tell us WHAT the
> > "shortcomings" of Pierce's game are?
>
>
> Read my previous post in response to Egg. And if you need to TRULY need to
> ask what are Paul's shortcomings then I guess trying to continue having an
> objective discussion with you on this topic is futile.
>
>
>
>  > Now Twan is frequently called a "leader and a winner" but he never lead
> > anyone anywhere before Pierce arrived with the Celtics. If DA trades
Walker for
> > say Stromile Swift and Battie the Celts will still win 44+ games. Watch
and
> > learn..
>
>
>
>
> Then you in essence just contradicted yourself. On the one hand you cite
> Walker for never having led the C's anywhere or won anything (as if the
C's were
> oozing with talent to begin with) prior to Pierce's arrival
>
> Then in the next sentence you suggest that without Walker the team is
still
> just a 44 win ballclub with Pierce as "the man". Not exactly a ringing
> endorsement for Pierce, huh? What have the C's won since Pierce arrived,
by the way?
>
>
>
>
> <<But his value is VASTLY overrated by some in this list..including you>>
>
> Actually, I don't overrate Walker at all. I know what his strengths and
his
> weaknesses are and I admit them.
>
> The issue here, though, isn't Walker's strengths and weaknesses or a
rehash
> of Walker vs. Pierce; it's Pierce's weaknesses and the fact that the
Pierce
> supporters steadfastly refuse to talk about them and/or gloss over them or
in
> more than one case  pretend they don't exist. Instead of examining and
> scrutinizing Pierce, I guess it's easier for them to try to turn the
argument back into
> an Antoine vs. Paul issue.
>
> Steve